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derry_stu
Internationalist
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 07 March 2010 : 13:15:19
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Originally posted by ddundee53
But they WERE 2-0 down. And they DID come back. Why shouldn't they have been 2-0 down in the first place? ICT are a good team and played better than we did up to that point. It's football, It happens sometimes. Is it the law that we never fall behind and have to win every game? Anyone who thought we were going to walk all over these teams hasn't been paying attention.
We're in for a hell of a battle if we're going to win this league, and battling back from 2-0 down is a damn good indication we're up for the fight and aren't going to surrender our advantage very easily. Us only getting a draw wasn't nearly as disastrous as ICT losing a victory and having one less fixture to catch us.
So, take the positives and let everyone else worry about how they're going to catch up.
I understand what you're saying but I just feel that champions would not be making so easy for teams at their own ground. If we are to be champions then we shouldn't be gifting goals at Dens. Would you not agree with that? I do think that it showed character to come back but why did they not play like that for the whole game? It would be good to see 90 minutes of character instead of 15.
At no point have I said Dundee should have walked the game or any game in this division for that matter. |
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Grey-Area
Under 21's Squad Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07 March 2010 : 16:32:02
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Originally posted by OLD DEE
First and foremost, even if he hadn't scored, I thought Kerr was outstanding today. His determination, work rate and ability to break down play was exceptional.
I can't understand why we are playing our main goal scorers down the wings and allowing Forsyth to play through the middle, but maybe I am missing something.
All in all we got out of jail today. Why on earth does it take us to be staring at a defeat, before we lift our play and show some urgency and ability. After we scored the first goal, I thought Terry butcher made a big mistake in taking Odiambo off and replacing him with a defender to try and hold on to what he had. He gave Dundee the initiative and the play poured towards the ICT goalmouth. Our 2nd goal was more than a tad fortunate, however at that point I would have taken anything. On the plus side today, I thought it was good to see Sean Higgins back. He gives us something different up front and is a real livewire.
We need a convincing performance soon, to ease the nerves of the suporters. Although,speaking personally, I still can't see how anyone that boos our players, thinks it will lift and encourage the team.
For just once in the league this season, I would like to be treated to a team display over 90 minutes not 15 minutes.
The cup weekend may have come at the right time, lets hope the team go out and give a performance with the knowledge that they don't have to fear dropping any points.
Agree with what you say, apart from I thought we played well for 30 mins (1st and last 15). Wasn't happy with the lack of communication between the players though. |
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Posted - 07 March 2010 : 19:44:22
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| Isn't it strange how coming from behind to draw 2-2 feels so much better than losing a two goal lead to draw 2-2? |
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ddundee53
First Team Player
Canada
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Posted - 07 March 2010 : 20:21:29
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Originally posted by derry_stu
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Originally posted by ddundee53
But they WERE 2-0 down. And they DID come back. Why shouldn't they have been 2-0 down in the first place? ICT are a good team and played better than we did up to that point. It's football, It happens sometimes. Is it the law that we never fall behind and have to win every game? Anyone who thought we were going to walk all over these teams hasn't been paying attention.
We're in for a hell of a battle if we're going to win this league, and battling back from 2-0 down is a damn good indication we're up for the fight and aren't going to surrender our advantage very easily. Us only getting a draw wasn't nearly as disastrous as ICT losing a victory and having one less fixture to catch us.
So, take the positives and let everyone else worry about how they're going to catch up.
I understand what you're saying but I just feel that champions would not be making so easy for teams at their own ground. If we are to be champions then we shouldn't be gifting goals at Dens. Would you not agree with that? I do think that it showed character to come back but why did they not play like that for the whole game? It would be good to see 90 minutes of character instead of 15.
At no point have I said Dundee should have walked the game or any game in this division for that matter.
Fair point accepted, but I think if one checks out the records of clubs like Rangers, Chelsea, ManYoo, Arsenal etc etc, none have a perfect home record this season and all have fallen behind at home at least once or twice this season. So it happens to the best of them. My point is what you do IF AND WHEN that happens, and Dundee showed they are title favourites for good reason. Teams that aspire to be champions find a way to come back and rescue hopeless-looking situations. I realize over the 90 mins the performance wasn't our best, but I'm still sure ICT will feel much worse about the game than we do. |
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acelarc
Dundee Legend
United Kingdom
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Posted - 08 March 2010 : 01:26:44
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I didn't think we were as bad in the first half as some make out. I wasn't overly worried at any point in that half that they would score and the discussion between me and my young lad was that ICT were a bit disappointing first half and reverted to long balls too often. Early second half we gifted them 2 goals before we got going and I thought for 10 minutes after that our heads had gone down and there was no way back. Then up pops Brian Kerr with a cracker and after that it was pretty much one way traffic.
I don't think our midfield were that bad for the whole game and I put the goals conceded down to soft defending. Only thing that annoyed me again this week is our habit of ending up relying on defenders, especially central ones of being left with the task of trying to play creative passes. I'm no expert so can only comment on what I see but I reckon that every visiting team at Dens this season has worked harder than us at closing down in midfield and even in posession it's forcing the ball to drift backwards with Gary and Jim being left with not much option than to float long passes usually onto the heads of their defence. When we have the ball on the deck in midfield and our passing is quick and crisp I don't think there is a better team to watch in this division. Some of our play first half, usually involving Shinnie was pleasing to the eye even if chances created from it were few and far between. I sometimes think the fear of losing posession outweighs the confidence to be creative and until we have our backs to the wall no one is willing to take a risk.
As for Bottlers, I think that is a bit unfair. If anyone has been bottling it recently it's been ICT. Having relied on two injury time soft penalties recently to keep their unbeaten run going they collapse against us again.
As for 'not playing like champions' or 'not playing for 90 mins' or words to that effect. That I'm afraid is the downside of playing in a very tight and ultra competetive league. Even the old firm are finding it tough just now with a slight reduction in the quality of player they can afford bringing them back to the field a bit. In recent years you would have put Celtic or Rangers down for a 4-1, 4-0, 5-1 win against teams like StMirren, Kilmarnock, Motherwell etc. That is not the case these days and well organised, awkward teams can get results in Glasgow and no-one is really surprised any more.
We are top of the league on merit and I'm sure all the relevant challengers would love to be in our position. As it stands no-one can overtake our points total with games in hand and our closest rivals with games in hand have to play each other at least once. They can't therefor all get full points from their games in hand and even if one of them does they won't be ahead of us and we will only have one serious challenger left in the run in.
I think our fantastic away support are going to play a huge part in the final quarter of this season and if it goes down to the final few games as looks likely then teams like Raith will start having to make games against us all ticket. Lots of great games to look forward to and although I've more of a mind to watch them from behind the sofa through the gaps between my fingers, this is really what it's all about. This is what we have waited five seasons for so let's enjoy it and help push the boys over the winning line. |
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David Brodie
Dundee Legend
SCOTLAND
1244 Posts |
Posted - 08 March 2010 : 16:45:11
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| Fao acelarc I agree with every word of your last post, away to lie down in darkened room! |
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darkbloo
Dundee Legend
United Kingdom
552 Posts |
Posted - 08 March 2010 : 18:00:48
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Euan
Dundee Legend
SCOTLAND
599 Posts |
Posted - 08 March 2010 : 18:33:21
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| I think we were lucky to get a point. Two goals which had a touch of luck about them - a greta strike througha crowd and a goal keeper unsighted and a deflection. My worry is that I am not sure where our goal threat is coming from. The midfield relies on Harkins to give it a spark and he was lost on Saturday until the shot which deflected in. Kerr was solid and Forsyth looks out on his feet. I dont agree with griffiths out wide for he should eb the one on the end of crosses not making them. A lot of work still we did not give up and the point may be so improtent come th eend of the season |
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Dark Blue Dreamchaser
Dundee Legend
United Kingdom
950 Posts |
Posted - 08 March 2010 : 20:49:31
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Couldn't make it Sat; but the great highlights service showed a Curate's Egg type of performance. Harkins looked outstanding and Griffiths and Forsyth eager and aware. At the back, however, there was a severe outbreak of ball-watching and our recent aquisitions in midfield and upfront have yet to make the necessary impact.
Caley looked streetwise, but not particularly skillful. SPL here we come! |
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OLD DEE
Fringe Player
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Posted - 09 March 2010 : 14:11:47
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Hi Dark Blue Dreamchaser,
I was at the match on Saturday ! Apart from Griffiths, if you witnessed that from the TV, all I can say is that the team that produced the video must be more creative than any of our players were |
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deegolf
Fringe Player
United Kingdom
64 Posts |
Posted - 09 March 2010 : 16:44:44
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| In my opinion Harkins had a good game, always willing to get on the ball and try to create something. People have to realise that he will lose the ball at times as he is always trying to be creative. However if he is not thundering in to tackles he will never please some Dundee supporters. |
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Euan
Dundee Legend
SCOTLAND
599 Posts |
Posted - 09 March 2010 : 18:20:56
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| Must agree with Old Dee |
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Dark Blue Dreamchaser
Dundee Legend
United Kingdom
950 Posts |
Posted - 09 March 2010 : 20:18:39
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| Camera never lies Old Dee; spotlights the highs and lows, and yes, there were lows on Saturday and nothing beats the whole picture of being at the game. Harkins though was clearly class; have a watch! |
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Dundee vs. Inverness Caley Thistle - Live
