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Bill Cairns
First Team Player
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 06 May 2012 : 18:28:36
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I should have added, the death knell of Scottish Football 'as they' see it, which I don't agree with for one minute either, thereby perpetuating the myth to suit their current predicament.
Scottish football would simply have to cut it's cloth accordingly, as I am sure the overwhelming majority are doing anyway. |
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MikeM
Internationalist
United Kingdom
331 Posts |
Posted - 07 May 2012 : 13:15:39
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Originally posted by highway_star
lets assume an SPL club with an average attendance of 6,000 over a season. Lets say they have two games with Rangers with a travelling support of 3,000 per game. Two home games, 6,000 fans in total. The argument is that taking that away is financial disaster. Any accountant or business man would spot that over a season it would mean average home gates would slip from 6,000 to 5,700 (approximately 6,000 fans over 19 home games). Apparently this figure would mean the death of Scottish football. Utter nonsense but there are many in the media quite happy to spout this kind of story.
The way I make sense of it is that they are automatically accounting the Sky money going without Rangers continued presence - not just gate money.
For me, its opened up a bigger debate about the irrevocable decline of Scottish football (even the one OF qalifying team will be well outside champions league group stages from now on) and therefore whether as a country we accept this, recalibrate expectations and revert to localism.
A-16 club competitive Irish / Welsh league equivalent that had sporting integrity with all kick offs back to 3PM Saturday and no TV games would do it for me!
May even get the local population where I live in Fife back in Raith Rovers / East Fife jerseys!
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darkbloo
Dundee Legend
United Kingdom
2552 Posts |
Posted - 07 May 2012 : 21:28:14
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Another good point raised on a few other sites is that if the SKY deal is conditional on 4 OF derby matches, what happens if Celtic are in the top 6 and Rangers are not after the split....so only 3 derbys! Could well be a reality if there is a newco Rangers in the SPL next season.
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tayportdee
Dundee Legend
United Kingdom
801 Posts |
Posted - 07 May 2012 : 21:55:28
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| Rangers will be given an automatic place in the top six if they fail to qualify by right. I heard it on the 33, tonight. |
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mev
Dundee Legend
United Kingdom
755 Posts |
Posted - 08 May 2012 : 12:10:40
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Any club that votes to keep a newco Rangers in the SPL should be boycotted by all fair minded supporters. If this had happened to any other club they would be thrown out of the league. Livingston were demoted to division three for far less than Rangers have done. If United vote to keep them in then I will never ever go back to Tannadice unless it is for a cup game where Dundee get their fair share of the gate.
They need to think long and hard about this. Lose Rangers for perhaps a minimum of three seasons or have Celtic and other clubs' fans boycotting their grounds for life! |
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emanzie
First Team Player
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Posted - 08 May 2012 : 22:59:46
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Originally posted by darkbloo
Another good point raised on a few other sites is that if the SKY deal is conditional on 4 OF derby matches, what happens if Celtic are in the top 6 and Rangers are not after the split....so only 3 derbys! Could well be a reality if there is a newco Rangers in the SPL next season.
This actually raises the question of the integrity of the SPL as a whole. How can ANY league with a split guarantee the presence of two individual teams. It almost sounds like match fixing. |
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Dark Blue Dreamchaser
Dundee Legend
United Kingdom
1505 Posts |
Posted - 09 May 2012 : 13:29:03
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Can a club which may not be legally entitled to sell season tickets survive? This on top of a signing embargo and a strong possibility of a default on wage payments?
Clearly, all bids are now based upon liquidation and the establishment of a new Rangers; the key to survival in this scenario lies in an immediate wild card straight back into the SPL with TV, place and other revenue streams guaranteed.
If this happens, the bullies win and the games loses; is the survival of Rangers more important than the survival of Scottish Football?
What seems to have been overlooked in some quarters is that if their is no functioning Scottish full time leagues then there is no Rangers; not the other way about!! |
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emanzie
First Team Player
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Posted - 09 May 2012 : 23:37:29
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This is a quote from one of Chic Young's articles on the BBC. He says
"Consider this: on a match day when Rangers are at home and Celtic away, far in excess of half the paying customers in the SPL are at Ibrox.
Remind me on what basis you can dispense with half your custom and still thrive and you, my friend, have found the secret of business heaven."
Well correct me if I'm wrong but don't Rangers keep the gate money anyway? The other team doesn't get a share of the gate so where is the benefit to anyone other than Rangers? That coupled with the fact that the OF get 80% of the TV money is why Scottish football is in such a poor state financially and relying on the occasional income boost from OF visits. |
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darkbloo
Dundee Legend
United Kingdom
2552 Posts |
Posted - 10 May 2012 : 19:04:59
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| When you play the OF at home it gets played at silly o'clock and the gate drops anyway. |
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mev
Dundee Legend
United Kingdom
755 Posts |
Posted - 11 May 2012 : 12:36:29
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| I don't understand the fuss about losing Rangers. Surely if they get relegated to the third division it gives the other SPL clubs more of a chance of glory. Isn't that more important than TV money? Well it is for the fans anyway! |
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MikeM
Internationalist
United Kingdom
331 Posts |
Posted - 11 May 2012 : 23:24:39
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| After todays shennaniigans I really believe they may be gone for the first time. Could yet be SPL for The Dees next season |
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alanrey25j
Dundee Legend
United Kingdom
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Posted - 16 May 2012 : 23:28:04
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| Think the difference between ourselves and rangers is that we were financially incompetent whilst it is clear to the vast bulk of Scottish football that rangers cheated for years, defrauded Uefa etc, did not pay vast sums of money to the public purse etc and yet they still have the temerity to whine on about being brought to book. |
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alanrey25j
Dundee Legend
United Kingdom
1100 Posts |
Posted - 16 May 2012 : 23:33:12
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I've more respect for craig Whyte(true) than for jardine, showing the bullying nature of the man.quote:
Originally posted by highway_star
You dont understand Islay. Its all the fault of the SFA, HMRC, Lloyds Bank, Dundee Utd, Hearts and Craig Whyte. They couldnt possibly march on their own club directors could they that would mean the blame lay with Rangers.....anyway they have all ran off having flogged the lot to Mr Whyte for the notorious �1.
I see that Sandie Jardine (a man I have held in the greatest respect as a player for many years) was uttering at a press conference how Rangers will apparently deal with those 'kicking them when they are down'. According to Rangers Supporters Trust today, these people will be 'dealt with appropriately'.
Really? given the stuff over the independent panel perhaps the SFA, SPL and appropriate teams should hear who is on that list and just what Rangers are threatening them with?
How can they get away with acting as if they are victims?
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alanrey25j
Dundee Legend
United Kingdom
1100 Posts |
Posted - 16 May 2012 : 23:35:29
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Good to see appeal rejected, a small measure of justice meted out.quote:
Originally posted by MikeM
After todays shennaniigans I really believe they may be gone for the first time. Could yet be SPL for The Dees next season
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islaydarkblue
Dundee Legend
United Kingdom
2511 Posts |
Posted - 20 May 2012 : 23:22:11
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| Ragers keep all the home gate money less 20% VAT or in the case of the season 2011-12 100% of the gate money as they did not forward the VAT charged on ticket sales to HMRC. |
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islaydarkblue
Dundee Legend
United Kingdom
2511 Posts |
Posted - 21 May 2012 : 00:49:01
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The first word in the above post should read Rangers.
Sorry for the error. |
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SensibleSoccer
Dundee Legend
Singapore
1672 Posts |
Posted - 21 May 2012 : 18:11:42
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Originally posted by emanzie
This is a quote from one of Chic Young's articles on the BBC. He says
"Consider this: on a match day when Rangers are at home and Celtic away, far in excess of half the paying customers in the SPL are at Ibrox.
Remind me on what basis you can dispense with half your custom and still thrive and you, my friend, have found the secret of business heaven."
Well correct me if I'm wrong but don't Rangers keep the gate money anyway? The other team doesn't get a share of the gate so where is the benefit to anyone other than Rangers? That coupled with the fact that the OF get 80% of the TV money is why Scottish football is in such a poor state financially and relying on the occasional income boost from OF visits.
I can't believe he gets paid for writing the junk that he produces.
I also saw his 'pointment' and was flabbergasted that he made it as evidence of other businesses losing money! Only Rangers, Chick my friend, would lose money, other clubs could GAIN because 50,000 customers would now need somewhere to go!
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