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DundeeDerryBoy
First Team Player
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 Posted - 10 May 2012 : 11:16:59
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I was not convinced by the Dundee Utd Chairman's claims (and the Glasgow press) that the loss of Ranger's attendance would have an almost fatal affect on income on all other SPL clubs.
So here are the home attendance figures for Utd for 2012.
As you can see, Utd's attendance average is about 6500 per game.
Rangers add about 3000 to that figure for each match and there are 2 Rangers home matches a year.
So losing Rangers would amount to a loss of around 6000 supporters a year
Not exactly a fatal blow.
So it must all come down to Sky income.
Considering that the old firm take the lion's share of that, the question is who would lose the most ?
The answer is the old firm - and the Glasgow media who rely on them.
Also, teams do not go out of existence when in the First Division so they would not in the SPL.
Date Opponent Attendance
24/07/2011 Kilmarnock 6232
06/08/2011 St Mirren 6594
20/08/2011 Dunfermline 6527
10/09/2011 Rangers 10156
17/09/2011 Inverness 6497
01/10/2011 Motherwell 6073
22/10/2011 St Johnstone 6707
19/11/2011 Hearts 6925
04/12/2011 Celtic 10980
24/12/2011 Hibernian 8168
02/01/2012 Aberdeen 11471
21/01/2012 Motherwell 5969
18/02/2012 St Mirren 6363
21/02/2012 Kilmarnock 5232
05/03/2012 Inverness 5994
11/03/2012 Celtic 12270
17/03/2012 Rangers 9464
31/03/2012 Dunfermline 6654
28/04/2012 Hearts 7001
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Nick
Fringe Player
United Kingdom
99 Posts |
Posted - 10 May 2012 : 12:58:39
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The problem is that the chairmen and boards of the respective SPL clubs will have budgets set out over a number of coming seasons. They will have offered contracts to players and staff based on realistic projections of income over a number of years. If they were to lose out on the away support gate money usually received from either of the old firm twice a season, I could see how that could lead to financial problems, especially as many will already be carrying significant debts in the first place. I would imagine that Rangers at Tannadice twice a season would generate in the region of £150,000 depending on numbers.
Whilst I agree that it may not necessarily lead to the istant demise of a football club, I could see how those financing already siginificant debts might get a bit worried if that sort of revenue was to be lost in the space of a close season.
I would be interested to see what the split of Sky money is between the SPL clubs. Does anyone know if that information is readily available? |
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djderek1971
Fringe Player
United Kingdom
71 Posts |
Posted - 10 May 2012 : 13:52:56
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| Of course It wouldn't even be as much as that because the loss of Rangers income should they go down to Div 3 would be compensated by the introduction of another team. Being second in the 1st Division, this would be Dundee and I am sure Mr Thompson across the road could not deny that replacing Rangers with a Dundee derby may actually increase his revenue over the two matches so any argument that DUFC would miss the income from the missing Rangers fans simply does not stand up. |
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DundeeDerryBoy
First Team Player
165 Posts |
Posted - 10 May 2012 : 14:54:36
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How is commercial and broadcasting revenue distributed between SPL clubs?
All revenues generated by the SPL are effectively put into one pot. A support payment to the SFL and parachute payments to recently relegated clubs are then deducted from that pot. All associated costs of running the SPL are also deducted.
The remaining amount is split two ways to the member clubs: 48% is divided equally between all 12 clubs while 52% is distributed to teams dependent upon their final league position. The higher up the table that a club finishes, the more money they will receive. |
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dmbuild66
Dundee Legend
United Kingdom
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murrayw17
Dundee Legend
Yemen
1920 Posts |
Posted - 10 May 2012 : 19:59:48
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| Dundee Utd would be the only team to make money if Rangers got relegated, Having a derby instead of Rangers they would be happy with that. |
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Cyprusdee
Under 21's Squad Member
Cyprus
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Posted - 11 May 2012 : 13:27:53
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I have to say I agree with the points raised in "dmbuild66's" link above, and would like to add that, in my opinion, the lack of Rangers could even be good for Scottish football overall. The way I see it is, ok if the demise of that club devalues the Scottish game, then it won't be so attractive for these "big name" foreign players, (even if the remaining clubs could afford to pay their overinflated wages!) That then being the case, the remaining clubs would HAVE to find their own level in a more competitive league, and put more effort into developing of local, home grown, young players, also keeping more scarce money in the Scottish game.
Now obviously this could mean we'd be in the footballing wilderness for a year or three, but I firmly believe that once these youngsters start coming through to first teams, we could get back to the days when we have enough players in our leagues to represent their country, making them more attractive (as they used to be) to the major clubs in the football world, thereby, once again bringing more transfer money INTO the Scottish game |
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Blueday
First Team Player
United Kingdom
233 Posts |
Posted - 12 May 2012 : 09:44:54
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| If it worked put as it has done in previous seasons, they might even get a 3rd home Derby ! |
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cardee
Fringe Player
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Posted - 12 May 2012 : 19:42:46
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As i have said before, Utd, Aberdeen, & St. Johnstone would get crowds of a similar size.
The rest of the clubs would see a drop.
Any drop in income through the gates will have a serious effect on every club.
Then they have the threat of Sky pulling out of the tv deal,it's a no "brainer".
RANGERS KEPT WILL BE IN THE SPL NEXT SEASON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Another thing that would surely come up, Dunferline have already stated that they should be the club that should be in the SPL, and will go to court to fight if they have to.
Do they have a case given that Aberdeen survived because Falkirk's old ground did not meet the standards required?
Runner's up did not get a look in!
Anyway the SPL [as far as I know] is a league that "invites" clubs to join it, and, therefore, will "invitve" anyone they want to join!!!!!
The best thing that could could happen to our game is both the old firm clubs heading off to pastures new and leaving the rest of us with a level playing field.
Maybe the standards would drop,but,who would care if it is your team is in the of winning something[Kilmarnork,Hibs or Hearts this season excepted]?
Do you think you can get a ticket for the cup finial next week?
No way,and i think it would be the same whoever were playing.
A winning team will always attract crowds!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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DundeeDerryBoy
First Team Player
165 Posts |
Posted - 12 May 2012 : 20:40:49
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The SPL have already said that regardless of what happens with Rangers, Dunfermline are relegated to the first division. The only teams that can be considered for the SPL are those teams who applied by 31st March 2012 and Dundee is one of those teams. Hence the title of this post.
So sorry Dunfermline, no way out for you - you're definitely in div 1.
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NewportDee
Dundee Legend
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Posted - 13 May 2012 : 11:48:01
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Re the threat to finances and fans of other club's saying they will not support a "corrupt" league. If Rangers go down and you loose say 4,000 fans twice a season then you loose 8,000 paying customers. if 1,000 home fans feel they've had enough and stop attending that is 18,000 fewer paying customers.
Maybe the big loss would be the SKY money but then Celtic and Rangers get most of that anyway. A return to knowing your game will be played regularly at 3pm on a Saturday may help increase attendances. Sometimes I yearn for the Saturday night/Sunday afternnon highlights packages of the past, then again today I'm glad the City v QPR game is on live on TV as we couldn't get a ticket for it. |
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tayportdee
Dundee Legend
United Kingdom
801 Posts |
Posted - 13 May 2012 : 16:14:38
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| Yes 3pm kick offs and the return of the beloved sporting post. |
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