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andersong
Dundee Legend
SCOTLAND
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 Posted - 12 August 2012 : 11:54:32
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| Yip - if that is our fanbase then accept it - we cannot force fans out to games. Sellout Saturday only worked for the Dons, check other attendances yesterday - it made no difference to any other club's gate. |
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torrydee
Fringe Player
United Kingdom
82 Posts |
Posted - 13 August 2012 : 23:37:39
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| I drive past away supporters buses on way home and saw at least 5. So that makes about 300 by bus. Also saw loads parking around dens road school so 4-500 I reckon. |
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islaydarkblue
Dundee Legend
United Kingdom
2569 Posts |
Posted - 14 August 2012 : 00:20:42
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| I am surprised that we do not state how many away fans there are at each home game. It is not too difficult to work out as there is a counter in each turnstile which is set to zero before the gates open. |
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Euan
Dundee Legend
SCOTLAND
1241 Posts |
Posted - 14 August 2012 : 09:21:57
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| Dont think anouncing the away support benefits anyone except those who criticise away supports. There was just under 6000 at Dens on Saturday why dont we just leave it at that- this without doubt meant there were between 5000 - 5500 Dundee supporters at the game which was not a bad turn out. If we start anouncing the number of away fans all we do is become critiacal of other clubs because they bring less supporters than we do and I dont think that is a good image for the club to have- a bit like the criticism I have heard a lot by some Rangers supporters over the summer of the lack of support of the non old firm clubs. |
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tayportdee
Dundee Legend
United Kingdom
801 Posts |
Posted - 14 August 2012 : 11:54:03
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| I am absolutely convinced that there were more than the advertised crowd at dens against st mirren. One becomes adept at counting the crowd after many many seasons |
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darkbloo
Dundee Legend
United Kingdom
2616 Posts |
Posted - 14 August 2012 : 13:26:32
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Don't see that there should be a big secret about how many fans were in the away stand. The stands behind the goal hold about 3000 so you can take a decent guess anyway.
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tomdee
Fringe Player
United Kingdom
57 Posts |
Posted - 15 August 2012 : 15:55:41
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Originally posted by tayportdee
I am absolutely convinced that there were more than the advertised crowd at dens against st mirren. One becomes adept at counting the crowd after many many seasons
Why would we want to understate the crowd ? If anything there could be an incentive to overstate the crowd to make us look better in the eyes of other clubs. There is little doubt in my mind that for cup ties where the gate is split between the two clubs that certain clubs understate the gates for obvious reasons. You only have to look at the cup crowds declared by the old firm for home ties over the past few years. As has been stated many times in the past home teams keep all gate receipts for home league games so why mess about with the crowd figures. On this one I think that if Dens announces the crowd as whatever then that is the crowd - end of story with no conspiracy stories about over or under statements. Finally it is difficult to judge the numbers in any particular stand unless the crowd is herded together into one small areas as with the away support on Saturday. If a stand like the Bobby Cox is only 75% full but the spare seats are uniformly spread throughout the stand in single seats believe me it still looks full ! |
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dundeemafia
Dundee Legend
SCOTLAND
1094 Posts |
Posted - 15 August 2012 : 17:40:24
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Originally posted by tomdee
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Originally posted by tayportdee
I am absolutely convinced that there were more than the advertised crowd at dens against st mirren. One becomes adept at counting the crowd after many many seasons
Why would we want to understate the crowd ? If anything there could be an incentive to overstate the crowd to make us look better in the eyes of other clubs. There is little doubt in my mind that for cup ties where the gate is split between the two clubs that certain clubs understate the gates for obvious reasons. You only have to look at the cup crowds declared by the old firm for home ties over the past few years. As has been stated many times in the past home teams keep all gate receipts for home league games so why mess about with the crowd figures. On this one I think that if Dens announces the crowd as whatever then that is the crowd - end of story with no conspiracy stories about over or under statements. Finally it is difficult to judge the numbers in any particular stand unless the crowd is herded together into one small areas as with the away support on Saturday. If a stand like the Bobby Cox is only 75% full but the spare seats are uniformly spread throughout the stand in single seats believe me it still looks full !
I'm in now way suggesting that there is anything underhand going on at Dens, I believe the attendance to be accurate (as my prediction will show) but in answer to your question. Clubs pay VAT on the number of paying spectators. The less fans the less VAT. Simples!
Under the new regime at Dens and our previous financial indiscretions I do not believe for one moment that the above tactic applies to Dundee Football Club |
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islaydarkblue
Dundee Legend
United Kingdom
2569 Posts |
Posted - 15 August 2012 : 17:53:28
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tomdee.
The obvious reason to understate the crowd is in the payment of VAT on fans paying at the gate. It does not matter about the number of season ticket holders at the game as the VAT has already been paid when the season tickets are sold.
One sixth of the pay at the gate ticket price and season tickets goes in VAT to HMRC. |
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tayportdee
Dundee Legend
United Kingdom
801 Posts |
Posted - 15 August 2012 : 17:59:43
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| Well that`s me told |
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hamilton1962
Under 21's Squad Member
United Kingdom
32 Posts |
Posted - 15 August 2012 : 21:14:35
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There's a Value Added Tax on watching an SPL match?
Oh dear! |
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islaydarkblue
Dundee Legend
United Kingdom
2569 Posts |
Posted - 16 August 2012 : 00:51:18
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| VAT was introduced when the UK joined the EEC in 1973. If we had stayed out of the EEC we would not have to pay VAT on admission prices for football matches. |
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Andrak
Under 21's Squad Member
United Kingdom
43 Posts |
Posted - 16 August 2012 : 09:12:12
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| The clubs auditors will carry out certain tests to make sure that all club income is accounted for. A club would have to be very big, very important, have dodgy Directors and dodgy auditors to get away with it. The only similarity we might have with such a hypothetical club, is that we play in blue, and they might also play in blue. |
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kennygrewar
First Team Player
United Kingdom
275 Posts |
Posted - 16 August 2012 : 10:19:32
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Originally posted by islaydarkblue
VAT was introduced when the UK joined the EEC in 1973. If we had stayed out of the EEC we would not have to pay VAT on admission prices for football matches.
Eh....good ane! (You don't think the UK govt might have cottoned on to the idea by now!) |
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Dark Blue Dreamchaser
Dundee Legend
United Kingdom
1513 Posts |
Posted - 16 August 2012 : 13:35:58
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As an unreconstructed sado, I normally try to estimate the crowd based on how full (or empty) to capacity the four stands look and bearing in mind the reduced capacity of the SE in non ticket games.
With several sections of the main stand and half of the Shanks closed,I had it down as 6,100 on Saturday - with 450 approx in the away stand, so have no reason to doubt the accuracy of the official crowd. Approaching 5,600 home fans would be the envy of Killie, M'Well. Caley, County, Saintees and Buddies. In other words it was a top half of the SPL turnout - no more, no less! |
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islaydarkblue
Dundee Legend
United Kingdom
2569 Posts |
Posted - 16 August 2012 : 20:13:18
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| With the current batch of MP's we have at present, I doubt it! |
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How many at the St Mirren game
