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Drvonshineck
Internationalist
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 06 July 2012 : 10:35:47
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"Should Rangers being place in the 1st division?"
Who's going to vote against?
Who's going to vote in favor?
And who will abstain?
As far as I'm aware, as of 6th July it is 11-1-1. |
Edited by - Drvonshineck on 06 July 2012 14:42:19 |
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Tartan Tam
Under 21's Squad Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06 July 2012 : 11:42:30
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quote:
Originally posted by Drvonshineck
Who's going to vote against?
Who's going to vote in favor?
And who will abstain?
As far as I'm aware, as of 6th July it is 11-1-0.
Why did Rangers get a vote to keep them in SPL
and Dundee can not vote them out of Div.1
the whole system stinks and Reagan should be Sacked Bully Boy Number One |
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wirraldee
Internationalist
United Kingdom
478 Posts |
Posted - 06 July 2012 : 12:41:23
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How will the questions be phrased ahead of next week's vote? Does anyone know?
It might be "should Newco be placed in the SFL 1st division?" or "should Newco be placed in the SFL 3rd division?" or even more basically "should Newco be invited into the SFL?" and if so then "which SFL division should they be placed in?"
Often the way a question is put can influence the answer. |
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islaydarkblue
Dundee Legend
United Kingdom
2511 Posts |
Posted - 06 July 2012 : 12:44:18
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Drvonshineck
Internationalist
United Kingdom
354 Posts |
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DundeeDerryBoy
First Team Player
165 Posts |
Posted - 07 July 2012 : 18:14:29
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I've read the latest armageddon warnings on radio scotland - Jim Trainor and "friends".
Cosgrove was missing no doubt due to the massive arguement they had
It complains that they are being punished and that punishment is sfl div 3.
Also it lists the SPL clubs who have had financial problems including Dundee and Motherwell adiministrations.
The arguement is that other clubs have had problems so why is Rangers getting worse treatment than anyone else.
Well the fact is that Rangers are to be LIQUIDATED.
So no one is punishing them!
They are getting better treatment than any other club would get if they were getting wound up.
The fact is Rangers wont exist.
There will be a brand new club which may be called something like Rangers AFC or similar.
So instead of having to start all over again right from the bottom, their friends, sycophants and leeches are trying their best to give them a leg up.
When Airdrie were liquidated, none of these organisations or people lifted a finger.
In fact David Murray said "business is business" and it made no difference to him.
They were out of the Scottish League system completely.
So there is a precedent and it is Airdrie.
Which is ironic for two reasons -
1. The president of the SFL is the Airdrie chairman and the SFL chief exec is an Airdrie supporter so they should want the same rules applied now that they had to endure.
2. Jim Trainor is an Airdrie fan so again he should be looking for the same instead of his current and constant "Rangers must go into SFL Div 1 or there will be a slow death" propaganda.
So Rangers must be allowed only to apply for the third division any other outcome is a fix.
God only knows what would happen if they get into Div 1 but do not get promoted.
Another vote with dire warnings no doubt.
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islaydarkblue
Dundee Legend
United Kingdom
2511 Posts |
Posted - 07 July 2012 : 21:26:35
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| I thought that Ballantyne was the Airdrie chairman and the Chief Executive of the SFL was an Airdrie supporter. |
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MikeM
Internationalist
United Kingdom
331 Posts |
Posted - 08 July 2012 : 00:10:45
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Couple of obvious questions on the vote:
Why no decicsion on Dundee or Dunfermline before the vote?
Why no Dunfermline conflict if as alleged Jim leishman is on SFL board making Div 1 decision post general acceptance to 'Div 3' |
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XPAT
Dundee Legend
United Kingdom
667 Posts |
Posted - 08 July 2012 : 10:29:52
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"How will the questions be phrased ahead of next week's vote? Does anyone know?"
I would suggest reading Alex Thomson's blog on Channel 4 News web site. Exact wording of communications to SFL clubs is revealed.
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islaydarkblue
Dundee Legend
United Kingdom
2511 Posts |
Posted - 08 July 2012 : 11:54:57
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| How can Jim Leishman be on the SFL Board if Dunfermline were in the SPL last season. |
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tayportdee
Dundee Legend
United Kingdom
801 Posts |
Posted - 08 July 2012 : 12:59:54
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| when do you think we will know for definite if we are to be in the top league this season? It is difficult to explain to people who ask just why there is a delay. It also seems silly to be buying tickets for for a tin without a label. |
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JohnB1987
Dundee Legend
United Kingdom
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Posted - 08 July 2012 : 18:45:56
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Originally posted by XPAT
"How will the questions be phrased ahead of next week's vote? Does anyone know?"
I would suggest reading Alex Thomson's blog on Channel 4 News web site. Exact wording of communications to SFL clubs is revealed.
Indeed, it's basically worded as "Do you accept Sevco 5088 into the SFL?", and assuming they are voted in, the SFL board will decide whether or not to put them into the First Division.
Laughable.
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bratt75
First Team Player
United Kingdom
240 Posts |
Posted - 08 July 2012 : 19:44:10
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Seems like the goalposts are being moved yet again with the board of SFL to ultimately decide on where newco play instead of the clubs. What a coincidence given that 14 or so clubs have already voiced their intention to vote no. New Gers in Div 1 is as good as gauranteed by the look of things. Poor poor poor state of affairs - surely the time is right for UEFA or even FIFA to step in and take control of this joke.
In my eyes its very simple....(a) advise either DFC or DAFC they are to be playing SPL (asap), (b) advise newco they are to be playing Div 3 if their application is accepted (as per the rulebook).
There should be no delay or dispute - with the onloy vote being on whether they are admitted to SFL Div 3 or not - WHAT IS SO DIFFICULT??? |
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deepdarkblue
First Team Player
United Kingdom
211 Posts |
Posted - 08 July 2012 : 20:15:44
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bratt75
Seems like the goalposts are being moved yet again with the board of SFL to ultimately decide on where newco play instead of the clubs. What a coincidence given that 14 or so clubs have already voiced their intention to vote no. New Gers in Div 1 is as good as gauranteed by the look of things. Poor poor poor state of affairs - surely the time is right for UEFA or even FIFA to step in and take control of this joke.
In my eyes its very simple....(a) advise either DFC or DAFC they are to be playing SPL (asap), (b) advise newco they are to be playing Div 3 if their application is accepted (as per the rulebook).
There should be no delay or dispute - with the onloy vote being on whether they are admitted to SFL Div 3 or not - WHAT IS SO DIFFICULT???
We all know what should be done, I don't know any fan who thinks that any team should be able to waltz into Div 1. The Chairmen and other executives at our clubs who decide to vote (or abstain) against the wishes of their fanbases are gambling that our love of our clubs will outweigh our common sense and sense of fair play (or integrity if you prefer). |
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dmbuild66
Dundee Legend
United Kingdom
783 Posts |
Posted - 08 July 2012 : 20:28:29
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Originally posted by bratt75
There should be no delay or dispute - with the onloy vote being on whether they are admitted to SFL Div 3 or not - WHAT IS SO DIFFICULT???
Maybe we should issue some threats in retaliation and threaten to have 3 break-away leagues of our own with no 'Newco' |
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MikeM
Internationalist
United Kingdom
331 Posts |
Posted - 09 July 2012 : 12:52:55
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How can Dundee have a conflict of interest and yet those clubs who would benefit (or not!) from New Rangers into Div 3 by going up a division apparently have no conflict of interest?....unless the only real vote on offer is straight to Div 1 and we are guaranteed going up???
As Dunfermline still appear to have no conflict - I assume we are not playing up our own conflicted position more in hope than expectation.
We need more clarity from the SFL Board as to how the questions will be asked and who gets a vote and why....but I'm not exactly holding my breath on that one.
My personal preference is for the club to have a say...and that say being Divison 3.
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Cyprusdee
Under 21's Squad Member
Cyprus
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Posted - 09 July 2012 : 14:59:01
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This "Newco", which you can guarantee will be called "Glasgow Rangers" whatever Mr Green and his cohorts say, has NONE of the prerequisite requirements to join the SFA in any of the leagues.
Therefore they should be taking their chances along with any other teams applying to join, who Do have the qualifications to do so. So the first question has to be "Should they be admitted at all?".
Then the question is, "At what level?"
The powers that be have done everything they can think of to protect their own interests, (not those of the Scottish game), in this sorry affair, through their scaremongering/threats/lies/false promises, to make sure that "Rangers" are installed as high up the ladder as possible.
Clubs should ignore these threats of loss of income. I believe that there will be more interest in the game without them, and the shortfall will to some extent be made up by this. The clubs will have to develop their own "home-grown" talent, and not import these over-paid, yet under-achieving foreign so-called stars. This would eventually be for the good of Scottish football, and possibly even get us back to the days when we supplied the talent to other leagues, bringing more money into Scotland, and possibly even bring the international team back to when they were not a laughing stock/easy touch, but a team to be feared.
So there it is in my opinion. IF "Newco" is voted into the league, and ESPECIALLY if they get into Div1, then it would be a disgrace, and those that voted for it should hang their heads in shame.
Abstaining and leaving the decision to the SFA should not be an option either, as we all know what that would mean....."Rangers" in Div1 unopposed, and back to SPL next year, and then back to the status quo, and Scottish football no further forward. |
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islaydarkblue
Dundee Legend
United Kingdom
2511 Posts |
Posted - 09 July 2012 : 17:15:03
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| In my opinion the 30 Member clubs of the SFL should tell newco Rangers that they are not welcome in the SFL and pass the buck back to Messrs Doncaster and Regan. |
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wirraldee
Internationalist
United Kingdom
478 Posts |
Posted - 09 July 2012 : 17:54:36
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I agree with Cyprusdee.
Newco being in the SPL in only 12 months and therefore "Rangers", in effect, only having received a slap on the wrist but dodged all its creditors is not justice nor preserving the integrity of football in Scotland.
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GOGGS
Under 18's Squad Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 09 July 2012 : 21:17:37
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deepdarkblue
First Team Player
United Kingdom
211 Posts |
Posted - 10 July 2012 : 11:04:55
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| Rae at Greenock Morton has been in the paper saying that Regan, when challenged on why he hadn't told clubs the truth from the start claimed he held it back for dramatic affect (in the Herald). This man is running our game, its incredible. I hope we can challenge our abstention, there is just too much going on with this vote, its not just about where certain clubs end up, its about a range of other subjects as well. I hope that once the dust has settled on our current predicament we can get our game in order. Regime change is definitely in order and 1 body to run our game with all clubs having a fair say. |
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