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don evans
Internationalist
United Kingdom
318 Posts |
 Posted - 04 July 2012 : 20:23:10
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Originally posted by bratt75
Don Evans.....what is it exactly that you want to see Dundee do or say??? It looks very much as if we will be playing SPL next season - why do we need, as a club, to express an opinion on where Rangers play? As I see it we don't have a say - either cos we will be in SPL and wont have a vote or cos the 'conflict of interest' and again wont have a vote.
As for selling our integrity - get a grip - what nonsense... we sell our integrity by not issuing a statement - come on, really???
I removed my previous response as it was a bit petulant. Think it's old age kicking in.
What I want is a clear statement from the club that we fundamentally disagree with Rangers being parachuted into Division 1. In my opinion it's got nothing to do with having or not having a vote, it's about not sitting on the fence and ignoring what's going on around us just because by sheer luck we might be getting a free pass to the SPL.
You think my views are nonsense and that's your prerogative. your view of integrity clearly differs from mine, but from what I've read and from discussions I've had with other fans, I think you might be off the mark. |
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blairged
Under 21's Squad Member
United Kingdom
35 Posts |
Posted - 04 July 2012 : 21:12:28
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Originally posted by don evans
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Originally posted by Euan
I too think we have handled this situation well working away in the backgroud
working away doing what exactly?
Just getting our team ready for the season why get involved in someone elses troubles let's just concentrate on getting DFC ready for the season what ever division that is.
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bratt75
First Team Player
United Kingdom
240 Posts |
Posted - 04 July 2012 : 22:15:20
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Hi Don, lucky I didn't read your 1st post or I wouldn't have read your new one ha ha.
We will just beg to difer...I reckon DFC have their integrity intact without having to declare a position publicly.
Sorry for my initail outburst :-) |
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mick
Under 21's Squad Member
United Kingdom
15 Posts |
Posted - 04 July 2012 : 22:50:23
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| I think we are acting like the good little boy in class, hoping the teacher will reward him for being good and not saying a bad word. For us to get into the SPL this way is nothing to be proud of. Grasping at straws and having no principals makes us look pretty poor in the eyes of other clubs and supporters. I would rather we stated where we stand on the Rangers issue as this will be the last chance we will have to change scottish football forever, providing everyone sticks together. |
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RealDee
Fringe Player
United Kingdom
55 Posts |
Posted - 04 July 2012 : 23:57:30
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We (the club) have done everything asked of us and not made waves or made demanding statements in the Media.
We knew that if a Slot became available to join the Spl we knew that we would be in with a chance to take it. Not through malice or greed but by merit. And now it looks like we might get that slot (if the 11 members of spl want us).
Fact ... we are the next highest placed team after Ross County.
Fact ... we have the largest away and home support of the 1st Div.
Fact ... we have earned the slot.
Fact ... we are known to be solvent /Prudent in our Running of the Club and we Publish our KPI monthly for all to see.
Twitter = @BillHamilton02 |
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dmbuild66
Dundee Legend
United Kingdom
783 Posts |
Posted - 05 July 2012 : 00:16:49
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Originally posted by mick
I think we are acting like the good little boy in class, hoping the teacher will reward him for being good and not saying a bad word. For us to get into the SPL this way is nothing to be proud of. Grasping at straws and having no principals makes us look pretty poor in the eyes of other clubs and supporters. I would rather we stated where we stand on the Rangers issue as this will be the last chance we will have to change scottish football forever, providing everyone sticks together.
I don't think anybody said getting into the SPL this way is anything to be proud of, but some team is going to go up - why not us?
What straws are we grasping?
We certainly do have principles - after what our club has gone through I think a lot of clubs are now looking at our business/fan model with a degree of envy!
I think every club has more or less the same view of the Rangers issue but some (ours included) are better taking the diplomatic line and not involving the Pot and Kettle! |
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tayportdee
Dundee Legend
United Kingdom
801 Posts |
Posted - 05 July 2012 : 06:34:45
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| Jim jeffries had a platform on talksport last night and although boring as usual, he made good points and supported by the presenters. I`m not entirely sure, quiet and dignified, will be seen as positive if we are playing dumbarton |
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exile
Dundee Legend
1356 Posts |
Posted - 05 July 2012 : 11:14:04
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Fact ... we have earned the slot.
That is not a fact. That is a matter of (differing) opinion. |
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dpmcalister
Fringe Player
United Kingdom
112 Posts |
Posted - 05 July 2012 : 11:46:03
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Originally posted by exile
Fact ... we have earned the slot.
That is not a fact. That is a matter of (differing) opinion.
I took it to mean we have earnt second place in Division One. |
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don evans
Internationalist
United Kingdom
318 Posts |
Posted - 05 July 2012 : 11:57:59
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Originally posted by bratt75
Hi Don, lucky I didn't read your 1st post or I wouldn't have read your new one ha ha.
We will just beg to difer...I reckon DFC have their integrity intact without having to declare a position publicly.
Sorry for my initail outburst :-)
nae bother mate - that's part and parcel of stating opinions |
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Drvonshineck
Internationalist
United Kingdom
354 Posts |
Posted - 05 July 2012 : 11:58:00
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Originally posted by RealDee
Fact ... we are known to be solvent /Prudent in our Running of the Club
Is this a joke?
We have the worst record in Scottish football.
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dfcabroad
Under 21's Squad Member
United Arab Emirates
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Posted - 05 July 2012 : 12:30:45
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I think the we have done well by being the 'silent runners' during this saga. Getting on with our business until we are required, and it is appropriate to state our position or provide our inputs.
Whilst there have been other clubs / fans / 'experts' who have been voicing opinions on what might or should happen, for me waiting until the time is right is exactly the right thing to do.
There is no need for anyone at DFC to fan the flames. There are plenty of others who are in a far better position than us to do this and are managing quite nicely in my opinion. |
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kennyc
Dundee Legend
United Kingdom
1364 Posts |
Posted - 05 July 2012 : 12:56:02
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Quite happy that the club has kept quiet during this time. What can we say or do that changes the situation?
We are already held in low regard by fans of many other teams, thanks to our administrative efforts through the last 10 years. I think if we were to start denouncing Rangers for all that they are accused of, we just provide ammunition to other people across the country, regardless of how each team actually got there.
We already carry enough baggage, not sure what benefit is to be had by throwing it in anyone else's direction. |
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aunty mo
Fringe Player
United Kingdom
136 Posts |
Posted - 05 July 2012 : 17:12:49
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Well said no comparison.
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Originally posted by mev
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Originally posted by don evans
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Originally posted by stewart
i think we are doing the right thing by keeping quiet
Sorry Stewart, we're not doing the right thing, or indeed the wrong thing, we're actually doing NOTHING. The Raith Chairman might have been a wee bit on the emotional side but at least he was stating an opinion. Sure, if we keep quiet, we might get promoted and we might not anger the Rangers fans, who might then do us the honour of coming to our ground iw find ourselves in the same league as them at some point in the future - and we're going to sell our integrity for that?????
I don't think we are selling our integrity. Dundee are hardly in a position to judge Rangers considering what we have just been through. Keeping quiet is simply the wisest course of action in my opinion.
Really getting fed up of Dundee being compared to rangers. We were guilty of flawed business plans, over expectation,over enthusiasm, the Bosman etc , rangers were successfully guilty of years of manipulating and cheating Scottish football. Under the counter contracts etc, hopefully the years of tainted titles, trophies, illegally gained Euro money etc will all be clawed back. As the supposedly biggest club in t he SFL we should act like it and show some leadership. I'm more ashamed of this hedging our bets than of our previous financial woes.
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wkeith
Internationalist
United Kingdom
376 Posts |
Posted - 05 July 2012 : 19:19:54
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Originally posted by darkbloo
I just don't get how you can have a compromise where newco get into the 1st division because of the finances alone. Surely in that circumstance they are saying before a ball is kicked that newco will get promoted at the end of 2012/13. That is ludicrous.
Well said - The threat that Sevco "need to be in Division 1" with the assumption that they will be promoted after 1 year shows no respect for the other teams in the league. |
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islaydarkblue
Dundee Legend
United Kingdom
2511 Posts |
Posted - 05 July 2012 : 20:08:24
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highway_star
Dundee Legend
United Kingdom
565 Posts |
Posted - 05 July 2012 : 20:34:17
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if New Co fail to be promoted there will be another manufactured rule and reorg of the leagues to make it happen. We may as well introduce a rule that New Co/Rangers win the league every year no matter what. The conspiracy theorists were right.
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