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stewart
Dundee Legend
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 04 July 2012 : 08:26:55
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| There is a very interesting story this morning in the Daily Record from the Raith Chairman after yesterdays meeting, i think we are doing the right thing by keeping quiet.......... interesting times ahead!!!!! |
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Harvey
Forum Member
United Kingdom
342 Posts |
Posted - 04 July 2012 : 09:50:08
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Originally posted by stewart
There is a very interesting story this morning in the Daily Record from the Raith Chairman after yesterdays meeting, i think we are doing the right thing by keeping quiet.......... interesting times ahead!!!!!
I thought the very same thing. Keeping our mouths shut for the time being is definitely the correct thing to do . . . |
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don evans
Internationalist
United Kingdom
318 Posts |
Posted - 04 July 2012 : 10:01:45
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Originally posted by stewart
i think we are doing the right thing by keeping quiet
Sorry Stewart, we're not doing the right thing, or indeed the wrong thing, we're actually doing NOTHING. The Raith Chairman might have been a wee bit on the emotional side but at least he was stating an opinion. Sure, if we keep quiet, we might get promoted and we might not anger the Rangers fans, who might then do us the honour of coming to our ground iw find ourselves in the same league as them at some point in the future - and we're going to sell our integrity for that????? |
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darkbloo
Dundee Legend
United Kingdom
2561 Posts |
Posted - 04 July 2012 : 11:16:34
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| I just don't get how you can have a compromise where newco get into the 1st division because of the finances alone. Surely in that circumstance they are saying before a ball is kicked that newco will get promoted at the end of 2012/13. That is ludicrous. |
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Euan
Dundee Legend
SCOTLAND
1241 Posts |
Posted - 04 July 2012 : 11:23:35
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| Not saying anything and doing nothing are not necessary the same thing. I too think we have handled this situation well working away in the backgroud |
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mev
Dundee Legend
United Kingdom
757 Posts |
Posted - 04 July 2012 : 11:31:04
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Originally posted by don evans
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Originally posted by stewart
i think we are doing the right thing by keeping quiet
Sorry Stewart, we're not doing the right thing, or indeed the wrong thing, we're actually doing NOTHING. The Raith Chairman might have been a wee bit on the emotional side but at least he was stating an opinion. Sure, if we keep quiet, we might get promoted and we might not anger the Rangers fans, who might then do us the honour of coming to our ground iw find ourselves in the same league as them at some point in the future - and we're going to sell our integrity for that?????
I don't think we are selling our integrity. Dundee are hardly in a position to judge Rangers considering what we have just been through. Keeping quiet is simply the wisest course of action in my opinion. |
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alanrey25j
Dundee Legend
United Kingdom
1101 Posts |
Posted - 04 July 2012 : 11:54:29
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Originally posted by mev
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Originally posted by don evans
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Originally posted by stewart
i think we are doing the right thing by keeping quiet
Sorry Stewart, we're not doing the right thing, or indeed the wrong thing, we're actually doing NOTHING. The Raith Chairman might have been a wee bit on the emotional side but at least he was stating an opinion. Sure, if we keep quiet, we might get promoted and we might not anger the Rangers fans, who might then do us the honour of coming to our ground iw find ourselves in the same league as them at some point in the future - and we're going to sell our integrity for that?????
I don't think we are selling our integrity. Dundee are hardly in a position to judge Rangers considering what we have just been through. Keeping quiet is simply the wisest course of action in my opinion.
Really getting fed up of Dundee being compared to rangers. We were guilty of flawed business plans, over expectation,over enthusiasm, the Bosman etc , rangers were successfully guilty of years of manipulating and cheating Scottish football. Under the counter contracts etc, hopefully the years of tainted titles, trophies, illegally gained Euro money etc will all be clawed back. As the supposedly biggest club in t he SFL we should act like it and show some leadership. I'm more ashamed of this hedging our bets than of our previous financial woes.
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liamgswife
Internationalist
United Kingdom
450 Posts |
Posted - 04 July 2012 : 11:57:11
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I don't think we are selling our integrity. Dundee are hardly in a position to judge Rangers considering what we have just been through. Keeping quiet is simply the wisest course of action in my opinion.
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100% agree with this statement. |
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exile
Dundee Legend
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Posted - 04 July 2012 : 12:56:01
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Originally posted by alanrey25j
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Originally posted by mev
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Originally posted by don evans
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Originally posted by stewart
i think we are doing the right thing by keeping quiet
Sorry Stewart, we're not doing the right thing, or indeed the wrong thing, we're actually doing NOTHING. The Raith Chairman might have been a wee bit on the emotional side but at least he was stating an opinion. Sure, if we keep quiet, we might get promoted and we might not anger the Rangers fans, who might then do us the honour of coming to our ground iw find ourselves in the same league as them at some point in the future - and we're going to sell our integrity for that?????
I don't think we are selling our integrity. Dundee are hardly in a position to judge Rangers considering what we have just been through. Keeping quiet is simply the wisest course of action in my opinion.
Really getting fed up of Dundee being compared to rangers. We were guilty of flawed business plans, over expectation,over enthusiasm, the Bosman etc , rangers were successfully guilty of years of manipulating and cheating Scottish football. Under the counter contracts etc, hopefully the years of tainted titles, trophies, illegally gained Euro money etc will all be clawed back. As the supposedly biggest club in t he SFL we should act like it and show some leadership. I'm more ashamed of this hedging our bets than of our previous financial woes.
I understand your point but,as I have said several times over the lsat few months, that, sadly, is not how outsiders see it. |
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amarmaladian
Fringe Player
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Posted - 04 July 2012 : 13:35:51
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| just when you thought all the chairmen had had a day oot at 'Spines'R'Us', theyre now lettin the lower leagues hang themselves with a smile on their faces and a, 'we did listen to the fans' attitude. We will be forced to vote on this. A very difficult situation for us. Wot a disgrace |
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darkbloo
Dundee Legend
United Kingdom
2561 Posts |
Posted - 04 July 2012 : 13:46:08
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Originally posted by amarmaladian
just when you thought all the chairmen had had a day oot at 'Spines'R'Us', theyre now lettin the lower leagues hang themselves with a smile on their faces and a, 'we did listen to the fans' attitude. We will be forced to vote on this. A very difficult situation for us. Wot a disgrace
SFL should say we have no plans for a meeting or a vote until such times as a newco applies for entry to the SFL leagues. |
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islaydarkblue
Dundee Legend
United Kingdom
2519 Posts |
Posted - 04 July 2012 : 14:00:05
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If the SPL decide not to take a vote today then the SFL chairmen should likewise on 12th July. Rangers have got the SPL into this mess and it is up to the SPL chairmen to "bite on the bullet" and take a vote.
If not then the SPL will start in August 2012-13 with 11 teams and there will be no newco rangers in either the SPL or SFL.
Rangers then will have to join one of the minor leagues such as the South of Scotland League providing the Charles Green consortium are still in charge. |
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don evans
Internationalist
United Kingdom
318 Posts |
Posted - 04 July 2012 : 14:01:28
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Originally posted by Euan
I too think we have handled this situation well working away in the backgroud
working away doing what exactly? |
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islaydarkblue
Dundee Legend
United Kingdom
2519 Posts |
Posted - 04 July 2012 : 14:16:45
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As the current Dundee Board of Directors have only been in exsistence for one year they probably do not have the experience and are unsure what do.
If I was on the Dundee Board of Directors I would demote newco Rangers to SFL Division 3. I would also give them a points deduction of at least 60 points to ensure that they do not get an immediate promotion at the end of season 2012-13.
As Rangers debts have been wiped out the newco Rangers must be hammered both financially and by a large points deduction to ensure that they NEVER attempt to cheat again. |
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amarmaladian
Fringe Player
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Posted - 04 July 2012 : 15:01:14
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camznfien
First Team Player
Netherlands
158 Posts |
Posted - 04 July 2012 : 15:03:09
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As the likely direct beneficiary of Rangers removal from the SPL, I think we may need to abstain on any voting.
Relegation of Rangers to Div 1 is fine by me as long as
- its for more than 1 season (preferably no promotion until the end of season 3).
- real reconstruction is agreed upon, on terms set out by the SFL, to be in place before Rangers can be promoted from Div 1
- the football debt of the old Rangers stays with the new Rangers
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stewart
Dundee Legend
United Kingdom
1041 Posts |
Posted - 04 July 2012 : 15:23:07
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| There will be NO winners here, it is a lose, lose lose situation, for everyone. its time to re-group and sort things out. this is just the tip of an iceberg situation and like the Titanic, many clubs are going to flounder |
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Euan
Dundee Legend
SCOTLAND
1241 Posts |
Posted - 04 July 2012 : 17:02:30
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| Working away in the background is consulting the SFL and their legal team, finding out about the situation we may find ourselves in- I get fed up with the notion that if you are not shouting loudest then you are never ehard. We are doing the work properly maybe not loudly but well in my opinion |
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bratt75
First Team Player
United Kingdom
241 Posts |
Posted - 04 July 2012 : 17:58:08
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Don Evans.....what is it exactly that you want to see Dundee do or say??? It looks very much as if we will be playing SPL next season - why do we need, as a club, to express an opinion on where Rangers play? As I see it we don't have a say - either cos we will be in SPL and wont have a vote or cos the 'conflict of interest' and again wont have a vote.
As for selling our integrity - get a grip - what nonsense... we sell our integrity by not issuing a statement - come on, really??? |
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darkbloo
Dundee Legend
United Kingdom
2561 Posts |
Posted - 04 July 2012 : 18:07:38
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Originally posted by Euan
Working away in the background is consulting the SFL and their legal team, finding out about the situation we may find ourselves in- I get fed up with the notion that if you are not shouting loudest then you are never ehard. We are doing the work properly maybe not loudly but well in my opinion
I've got to say I doubt very much anything DFC say or do will have that much influence on what happens in the end. Even if we do vote on anything we only have 1 vote the same as everyone. Not coming out with silly statements is the main role! |
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alanrey25j
Dundee Legend
United Kingdom
1101 Posts |
Posted - 04 July 2012 : 19:29:34
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Originally posted by exile
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Originally posted by alanrey25j
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Originally posted by mev
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Originally posted by don evans
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Originally posted by stewart
i think we are doing the right thing by keeping quiet
Sorry Stewart, we're not doing the right thing, or indeed the wrong thing, we're actually doing NOTHING. The Raith Chairman might have been a wee bit on the emotional side but at least he was stating an opinion. Sure, if we keep quiet, we might get promoted and we might not anger the Rangers fans, who might then do us the honour of coming to our ground iw find ourselves in the same league as them at some point in the future - and we're going to sell our integrity for that?????
I don't think we are selling our integrity. Dundee are hardly in a position to judge Rangers considering what we have just been through. Keeping quiet is simply the wisest course of action in my opinion.
Really getting fed up of Dundee being compared to rangers. We were guilty of flawed business plans, over expectation,over enthusiasm, the Bosman etc , rangers were successfully guilty of years of manipulating and cheating Scottish football. Under the counter contracts etc, hopefully the years of tainted titles, trophies, illegally gained Euro money etc will all be clawed back. As the supposedly biggest club in t he SFL we should act like it and show some leadership. I'm more ashamed of this hedging our bets than of our previous financial woes.
I understand your point but,as I have said several times over the lsat few months, that, sadly, is not how outsiders see it.
Cheers but, and i'm sure ive made this point before, I really dont think we should care what anyone else thinks when deciding what our club does, the decisions should be made that are in best interest of the club and let the rest u know what. |
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