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ryankenneth1
Fringe Player
United Kingdom
114 Posts |
 Posted - 12 June 2012 : 18:42:36
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| I know the topic has been up a few times but with Rangers now going into liquidation and a newco set to begin can we go up if the Spl don't let this newco in to the top league i would imagine we are first choice after finishing second in the 1st division. |
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darkbluemullet
First Team Player
United Kingdom
167 Posts |
Posted - 12 June 2012 : 22:40:41
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| No. Dunfermline saved I'm afraid. Also, expect the SPl to bottle it and let them in. Scottish football my friend :( |
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HPR
Dundee Legend
Canada
1272 Posts |
Posted - 13 June 2012 : 06:05:52
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Originally posted by ryankenneth1
I know the topic has been up a few times but with Rangers now going into liquidation and a newco set to begin can we go up if the Spl don't let this newco in to the top league i would imagine we are first choice after finishing second in the 1st division.
think Dunferline may have a legal right to stay up also I think Rangers playing in the 3rd Division could be great for the smaller clubs and attract large gates etc and no reason they couldn't have TV coverage |
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guinness
Internationalist
United Kingdom
428 Posts |
Posted - 13 June 2012 : 07:00:33
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Originally posted by ryankenneth1
I know the topic has been up a few times but with Rangers now going into liquidation and a newco set to begin can we go up if the Spl don't let this newco in to the top league i would imagine we are first choice after finishing second in the 1st division.
Knowing the shambles that is the SPL, even if they don't vote Rangers back in (which unfortunately I think they will), I wouldn't be surprised if they play with 11 teams giving everyone a free week every now and then to play a glamour friendly. |
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darkbloo
Dundee Legend
United Kingdom
2566 Posts |
Posted - 13 June 2012 : 08:21:26
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| Probably there would be another make it up as you go along rule pulled out the bag to stop us going up. |
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GTtheDee
Fringe Player
United Kingdom
133 Posts |
Posted - 13 June 2012 : 09:00:28
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| That is the situation IF the member clubs vote them out. But thats still a big IF at this stage. Do they vote financially or vote for sporting integrity?? And as someone has previously said, Rangers go down 2 the 3rd and a team that has been in admin twice itself benefits? A few clubs might have issues with that itself. Time will tell. But as it stands it is supposedly the runner up in Division 1 to go up. |
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Dundeesfinest
Dundee Legend
United Kingdom
873 Posts |
Posted - 13 June 2012 : 09:06:13
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| A topic that has been covered several times and I doubt anyone has a crystal clear answer. Im sure I read somewhere that the SFA stated (or had rules that stated) Dunfermline would still be relegated which would mean the 2nd placed team in the 1st Division would go up but there will be many who disagree with that statement. Only time will tell. Personally cannot see the SPL teams having the bottle to keep a NEWCO out of the SPL. |
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tayportdee
Dundee Legend
United Kingdom
801 Posts |
Posted - 13 June 2012 : 09:51:16
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| Why would they be relegated to the third division? Some of the highland league and others will question why they run clubs, when a bankrupt outfit can change names and stay in the top leagues. It might not sit comfortably, but I would put them into regional football. We will see then if they do walking away. |
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darkbloo
Dundee Legend
United Kingdom
2566 Posts |
Posted - 13 June 2012 : 10:00:40
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Originally posted by GTtheDee
And as someone has previously said, Rangers go down 2 the 3rd and a team that has been in admin twice itself benefits?
Last season we achieved 2nd place completely under the rules, if the newco doesn't get voted in to the SPL I believe 2nd place in SFL would get promoted. There is absolutely no way they'd promote 3rd place ahead of us.
Though still believe the SPL clubs will bottle it and vote any newco in regardless. |
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darkbloo
Dundee Legend
United Kingdom
2566 Posts |
Posted - 13 June 2012 : 10:23:29
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Originally posted by tayportdee
Why would they be relegated to the third division? Some of the highland league and others will question why they run clubs, when a bankrupt outfit can change names and stay in the top leagues. It might not sit comfortably, but I would put them into regional football. We will see then if they do walking away.
They wouldn't be "relegated" as such, they would have to go the SFL and apply for membership to gain entry to the 3rd division. |
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wirraldee
Internationalist
United Kingdom
478 Posts |
Posted - 13 June 2012 : 10:36:25
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I expect Scottish football to make it up as it goes along, as usual, and DFC not to benefit in any way - as usual.
Am I a realist or am I paranoid? Answers on a postcard!
There are lots of pros and cons with the various sanctions against Newco Rangers:
If I supported a Highland League team that had been lobbying to get into the 3rd Div I'd be very unhappy if a Newco Rangers were demoted from the SPL and just put into the 3rd Div.
Sporting integrity goes out of the window if the other SPL clubs allow a Newco Rangers back into the SPL. Even if severe sanctions are put on the Newco (Scottish Cup ban etc) that would still smell of SPL self interest and also virtually hand Celtic the SPL title for the next few years.
Scrapping SPL relegation and thereby saving Dunfermline should only have been an option had Rangers gone into liquidation during last season but they didn't. However, with John Yorkston's voice always being heard I have a gut feel that Dunfermline could be "saved" should Newco Rangers be demoted. That has two SPL self interest angles 1.it avoids bringing another outsider (DFC) into the SPL and 2.would probably save Dunfermline from administration in a few months time if the stories about their debts are reliable.
The option not being heard is demoting Newco Rangers one division but as it's a new entity I don't think that is a starter.
So wait and see and I'm sure the option chosen will still have the capacity to dumbfound. I expect DFC to be in the 1st Div in the coming season but.....you never know. Is that a pig I see flying past my window?
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bratt75
First Team Player
United Kingdom
241 Posts |
Posted - 13 June 2012 : 11:03:54
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| Lets face it - Rangers newco will be voted in. One or two may have some integrity and vote against but I don't see 5 doing so. At the end of the day money talks and as Thomson from over the road said recently - he has to act in the best interests of his club!!!!! |
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Dundeesfinest
Dundee Legend
United Kingdom
873 Posts |
Posted - 13 June 2012 : 11:08:35
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http://www.thecourier.co.uk/Sport/Football/article/23295/dundee-waiting-in-the-wings-as-rangers-face-liquidation.html
'Once a newco Rangers has been created the SPL board will vote on whether or not to allow the Ibrox club back into the top flight.
Should the new Rangers fail in that bid, they will apply to be allowed into the Third Division — which is expected to be a formality — and there will be a space left in the SPL.
It is understood that according to SPL rules the club relegated last season — Dunfermline — will stay relegated and Dundee could therefore be the beneficiary of Rangers' demise'
Time will tell if the SPL clubs bottle holds.
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powerlifer
Internationalist
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Posted - 13 June 2012 : 11:09:45
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Its not even a thought worth entertaining in my opinion, any newco will be aloud straight back in the league.
You only need to see the words of Stephen Thompson over the road towards Rangers to know what the majority will be voting for. If the SFA allow Rangers straight back in then Scottish football is doomed down the line when more clubs enter admin and get punished more severely. |
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DundeeDerryBoy
First Team Player
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Posted - 13 June 2012 : 11:30:57
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The SFA already stated weeks ago that Dunfermline are definitely relegated and another club, the second placed First Div team would be promoted.
Therefore why Falkirk and Dundee submitted their SPL application before March 31st.
Now the SPL chairmen have a decision to make. Allow New-Rangers in the SPL and lose some home supporters or take the high road. |
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McFlick
First Team Player
United Kingdom
293 Posts |
Posted - 13 June 2012 : 12:12:51
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If a Newco Rangers are voted back into the SPL, then the club chairmen are effectively saying neither Rangers or Celtic for that matter will ever be relegated, regardless of what position they finish in the league, because it will cost them financially.
Also, why aren't all SFA member clubs being allowed a say as to where a Newco Rangers should be
playing their football next season ? |
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Deedale
Dundee Legend
United Kingdom
533 Posts |
Posted - 13 June 2012 : 12:16:47
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I think SPL clubs are taking a hardening view of a Rangers Newco and i really do think they will struggle to get back in to the SPL. They need 7 clubs to vote to let them back in, they get a vote themselves which seems crazy!! That means only 5 clubs need to vote against it.
My concern is if we get promoted do we have a team strong enough to compete in the SPL?? |
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mev
Dundee Legend
United Kingdom
758 Posts |
Posted - 13 June 2012 : 12:24:14
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The self preservation society that is the SPL will only refuse Rangers newco entry if they believe their supporters are serious about a boycott if Rangers are allowed to remain in the SPL. If season ticket sales are massively down due to the Rangers debacle then clubs might think twice.
One thing is for sure, I will not be back for a league game at any club that votes to allow a Rangers newco into the SPL. |
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hairyscotsman
Under 21's Squad Member
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Posted - 13 June 2012 : 12:52:22
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| Also, related to this subject, i.e. the vote on whether newco is allowed in or not, Rangers themselves actually get a vote!! It's like turkey's voting for Xmas! |
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powerlifer
Internationalist
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Posted - 13 June 2012 : 12:57:05
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Why should there even be a vote for any new Rangers to be allowed back in, this wouldn't happen for any other club other than Celtic.
Scottish football is a mess. There has to be a number of other SPL clubs closesly tinkering on administration, do we all just re-vote them back into the SPL aswell or is it ok for the likes of Livingston to start again in the third division but not Rangers.
We have been largely lucky how our administrations have turned out, but only because we done the un-thinkable and over-turned that 25 point deficit. |
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amarmaladian
Fringe Player
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Posted - 13 June 2012 : 12:59:28
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| Its just been announced that the SPL and SFL are joining forces to accommodate the Newco (so called). They are about to announce a new top tier of 42 teams. each team to play each other 3 times. All teams to have a new points record except United,(the Dundee one and not the Ayr or Airdrie one). The league is expected to last exactly 3 years just in time for Celtic and Newco to enter Europes top flight elite competition again and Dundee to chase the dream of being the 11th force in Scottish football. Now who says the powers that be don't listen to the fans??? Everyone a winner! |
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