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darkbloo
Dundee Legend
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 25 April 2012 : 10:58:40
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| I'd also state again David, the comments about the recent performances are no worse than what was in the official site match report and also what Barry Smith said about them himself. It's also up to the board and Barry to come up with the solutions. |
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David Brodie
Dundee Legend
SCOTLAND
1767 Posts |
Posted - 25 April 2012 : 13:28:01
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The BOD, staff and players are the ones who need to come up with the solutions.
1, They are but it will take time! My guestimate is another 3 seasons unless someone funds this without wanting to run the club/pick the team/sign the players!
2, And it will then take money and resources as well, which will need to be self financing!
Perhaps its just naieve of you to believe that you are the one who can bring the objective/subjective reality of the situation to the fans here.
1, I've not offered any solutions as I've not got them.
2, I do trust the BOD and the team management but don't always agree with them either.
3, What I'll always comment on is posts, which don't take full account of where DFC is and how lucky we are to still have a club to support.
4, Having just seen the latest DFC Community leaflet I'm inordinately proud of DFC and it's developing role in the wider community.
That said like all of the posters, fans and supporters I'm desperate to see DFC back in the SPL!!! |
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big g the dee
First Team Player
United Kingdom
278 Posts |
Posted - 25 April 2012 : 18:31:34
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| As always David, very well put!!!! |
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stewart
Dundee Legend
United Kingdom
1035 Posts |
Posted - 25 April 2012 : 19:02:16
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| A lot of very unhappy customers here, i was not there but all your comments seem to back up a very poor performance, i am sure what we have got at the moment needs to be changed big style, lets hope Barry can do that |
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islaydarkblue
Dundee Legend
United Kingdom
2511 Posts |
Posted - 25 April 2012 : 21:41:15
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Hi Alan.
I do not think sending you a email through your profile works.
My email address in dwt.-@tiscali.co.uk
Douglas |
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David Brodie
Dundee Legend
SCOTLAND
1767 Posts |
Posted - 26 April 2012 : 09:30:58
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i am sure what we have got at the moment needs to be changed big style, lets hope Barry can do that
1, I believe it to be almost impossible for Barry to achieve the aforementioned?
2, If he does change out the team, then next season we'll be again a disjointed team and prone again to a similar start to the new season as we had this one.
3, There seems to be little cognisance given to continuity and team building.
4,I also do agree Saturday was a very bad result but I've also over the year watched DFC get beat and beat by more than a goal or two on many occasions. |
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darkbloo
Dundee Legend
United Kingdom
2552 Posts |
Posted - 26 April 2012 : 13:27:42
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Originally posted by David Brodie
2, If he does change out the team, then next season we'll be again a disjointed team and prone again to a similar start to the new season as we had this one.
3, There seems to be little cognisance given to continuity and team building.
I'd say that is done by keeping on as many of the 'best' players as we can, which doesn't automatically mean the highest paid ones either, and moving on the guys that didn't perform this season and replacing them if we can. Of course, budget permitting.
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tayportdee
Dundee Legend
United Kingdom
801 Posts |
Posted - 26 April 2012 : 13:35:02
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| Your point four appears to be missing the point. In my humble opinion it was not so much the result on sat that was worrying, but the manner in which we performed. I have watched far better organised junior teams this year. However You will be the only one with the correct answers and think everything is "ticketyboo". |
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David Brodie
Dundee Legend
SCOTLAND
1767 Posts |
Posted - 26 April 2012 : 13:38:48
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Originally posted by David Brodie
i am sure what we have got at the moment needs to be changed big style, lets hope Barry can do that
1, I believe it to be almost impossible for Barry to achieve the aforementioned?
2, If he does change out the team, then next season we'll be again a disjointed team and prone again to a similar start to the new season as we had this one.
3, There seems to be little cognisance given to continuity and team building.
4,I also do agree Saturday was a very bad result but I've also over the years watched DFC get beat and beat by more than a goal or two on many occasions.
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islaydarkblue
Dundee Legend
United Kingdom
2511 Posts |
Posted - 26 April 2012 : 16:28:21
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| It should not be too difficult to replace the players who have not performed this season as there will be about 400 players in Scotland out of contract at the end of this season. |
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David Brodie
Dundee Legend
SCOTLAND
1767 Posts |
Posted - 26 April 2012 : 19:47:04
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It should not be too difficult to replace the players who have not performed this season as there will be about 400 players in Scotland out of contract at the end of this season.
1, So the aim is to replace the players who allegedly did not perform with players who the bulk of, if they're available and withing the to be tightened budget constraints did not perform at their last clubs?
Surely an inconsistency here? Or even swopping like with like!
2, That is unless top 6 SPL players fancy a season as we can't give them two in the 1st Division.
3, We can only afford 1 season deals.
4, Also we don't give 2 season deals in case players under perform or are inadequate according to relatively wide and loose performance parameters!
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darkbloo
Dundee Legend
United Kingdom
2552 Posts |
Posted - 26 April 2012 : 22:25:49
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| So David are you saying it is impossible to improve on any position without spending more money, simply not true. If you have a midfielder on £500 a week say , of course you look around and see if you can get someone in that will improve that position, or you might say I like my midfielders but we need someone that's a ball winner or you might be looking for someone up front with a bit more height than we have now. That's what football management is all about. We're not saying get rid of Milne and bring in Messi! Wheeling and dealing is an option whatever budget we have next season. |
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Revdee
First Team Player
United Kingdom
290 Posts |
Posted - 27 April 2012 : 09:14:07
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Lots of discussion about players and contracts but for me it's all down to football management skills. Virtually every 1st divison club will be in the same position so it's ALL down to the manager. The manager must identify players with the appropriate skills and strengths to improve the team and play in the style/ manner the manager hopes to implement. They might not be well known players or particularly "brilliant" but they fit the team's objectives, i.e. build a team to get out this division. Maybe easier said than done but this is what makes a top manager.
Has Barry got the qualities to do this? Not sure. The jury's out for me. Doesn't seem to inspire players from the touchline or change games with change of tatics or formation. It's often like for like changes. He was still trying to sign players during the East Fife pre season tornament last season. Surely now he has identified a list of players who would strengthen the team / squad????????
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David Brodie
Dundee Legend
SCOTLAND
1767 Posts |
Posted - 27 April 2012 : 11:04:13
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So David are you saying it is impossible to improve on any position without spending more money, simply not true
Not saying that, refer back to the post. What I will reinforce is that 1 year contracts won’t get the best of the available pool of players!
That's what football management is all about
1, Yes, luck, foresight, funds and financial strength, attractiveness of the club, experience and gravitas. DFC does not have much of any of the aforementioned.
2, Yet against the odds has survived two shameful Administrations but has virtually no assets! And needs to recapitalise.
Virtually every 1st division club will be in the same position so it's ALL down to the manager.
If so, BS has to say to players can offer you only a 1 year contract, if we don’t like you we’ll look to punt you ASAP, we appear to be OK financially but cash flow is a problem. And I’m not always sure of the budget e.g. last year could not sign players early enough to gel them better during the close season due to still “technically” being in Administration.
The latter a fundamental influence that seems to be becoming airbrushed out of the picture.
Also all 1st Div Managers are not expected to ROMP to the title playing a brand of consistent, skilful, winning football, replete with significant numbers of clean sheets, which I've not seen that frequently at Dens these last 45 years!
Has Barry got the qualities to do this? Not sure. The jury's out for me.
If so thought, then reality check required, see above re Administration and below.
And which other managerial colossus has his eye on the DFC job?
Surely now he has identified a list of players who would strengthen the team / squad????????
Like last year he has but do we have the funds in place- NO!
A huge influence will be the season ticket income, with negative cheerleaders like a few I can name, who are unwilling to accept the financial recovery of the club, decreases the playing budget then we’ve got an instant depressing impact.
And there is still circa £150k of football debt relating to the Melville farrago to be paid off.
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islaydarkblue
Dundee Legend
United Kingdom
2511 Posts |
Posted - 27 April 2012 : 14:30:11
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David.
At the DFCSS AGM in the Taxi Club on Saturday 10th December 2011 Mark Gallagher stated that we were currently paying £13,000 per month in respect of football debt and the administrators expenses until August 2013.
In February 2012 it was stated that as a result of the live Scottish cuptie on BBC and the final payment from Watford in respect of Craig Forsyth's transfer the football debt would be cleared by February 2013.
At present assuming that the £13,000 payment is made on the first business day of each month we have 16 payments still to make. Therefore the total outstanding is £208,000.
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DFC 4E4
First Team Player
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Posted - 27 April 2012 : 16:41:45
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Because of our situation I for one is not looking for BS to sign amazing players (I WISH), im just wanting a squad of players to give 100% all the time on the park, I know that not every games is gonna be amazing football and we will lose goals and games but I want the passion back and before someone moans about the above statement, im not meaning every player on the park not giving 100%.
Im just hoping that we can get in some players in the closed season or the players that have been underperforming get their fingers out. We do however need a big physical centre half that also has pace, we have been out muscled for the best part of the season and have no pace. McGregor has been the most consistant one all season but he still lacks pace. |
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darkbloo
Dundee Legend
United Kingdom
2552 Posts |
Posted - 27 April 2012 : 18:39:49
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David why do we need a manager? If you take all you say on board then Barry is in such a straight jacket that he has no influence. You list a million excuses before we even start but success on the park comes down to the manager and the players he puts on it.
For me the most important thing for next season is Barry's ability to put the best team on the park with the budget he gets, the same as every other manager in the division.
Most other clubs are hardly in an ideal financial state either.
As for negativity, you take the biscuit, if the board and Barry had the same attitude as you they'd be better not coming to work in the morning! |
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David Brodie
Dundee Legend
SCOTLAND
1767 Posts |
Posted - 28 April 2012 : 13:00:20
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"Kettle Pot and Black" a few words that certain posters need to consider.
Those who know me, know I'm not at all negative. In fact I'm prone to extreme optimism and acute speculation.
However those that continue to confuse negativity for pragmatism. And fail to take into account reality have more thinking to do before they state certain assumptions, which don't bear scrutiny. And when challenged respond with their own brand of "negativity".
And next season, if we can maintain gate income, get maybe another £150k in investment, retain the bulk of the current players, add a few more experience to give cover and genuine competition I "think" we can challenge more strongly for the title.
Hardly NEGATIVE I'd surmise!!! |
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darkbloo
Dundee Legend
United Kingdom
2552 Posts |
Posted - 28 April 2012 : 18:08:18
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| It's you that's confusing negativity David. Anyone that's been at the recent games knows the team have not been playing well, yet you can't seem to accept fans that have paid good money to watch these performances can say so, even though Barry Smith and the official match reports have said the same. |
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islaydarkblue
Dundee Legend
United Kingdom
2511 Posts |
Posted - 28 April 2012 : 20:00:19
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I was at the Raith and Ayr United homes games last month. Against Raith we played poorly and in my opinion we were lucky to get a draw.
Against Ayr United the following Tuesday night we were hanging on to our 2-1 lead before we scored two goals in injury time. In the second half of the Ayr game you could have driven a coach and horses through the Dundee defence and that was how Ayr United scored. After that Barry was out at the touchline shouting at the defence to get closer together. Surely these problems should be resolved at training during the week before the game. Incidentally I read today that Ayr United are the only part-time team in SFL Division 1. How some of the other teams manage to stay full time on the home attendances they get is beyond me. |
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