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ryankenneth1
Fringe Player
United Kingdom
114 Posts |
 Posted - 21 February 2012 : 10:39:10
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| Scotland has called up Matt Phillips for the game against Slovenia and the boy is a real talent he is absolutely brilliant and he is only 20 although he only qualifies through his Scottish grandmother. However Holloway is very upset about it before the squad was announced he said to Matt not to play for Scotland as he would be better playing for England. He got called up anyway and Holloway has now complained and said he should be pulled out of the squad. Maybe he has short memory as his best player of last season who kept them in the league to the last day was Scottish (Charlie Adam). And i just dont know why he doesnt want Phillips playing for Scotland because his chances of England are slim with all the strikers they have. So the question is What's Holloway's Problem |
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andersong
Dundee Legend
SCOTLAND
2675 Posts |
Posted - 21 February 2012 : 11:45:15
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| Can he not play for us against Slovenia and still play for England as its only a friendly? I recall someone saying that about Jordan Rhodes too who I think came on as a sub against Cyprus in the last friendly. |
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Drvonshineck
Internationalist
United Kingdom
364 Posts |
Posted - 21 February 2012 : 12:27:10
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I don't think Holloway has a problem with Scottish players (far from it) but he fancies Phillips could play for England.
The cynic in me says he would be worth far more as a English internationalist than a Scottish internationalist. |
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darkbloo
Dundee Legend
United Kingdom
2569 Posts |
Posted - 21 February 2012 : 14:13:10
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| Just another step in the angilicisation (is that a word?) of the Scotland team! |
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Kew
First Team Player
United Kingdom
246 Posts |
Posted - 22 February 2012 : 06:27:00
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Originally posted by darkbloo
Just another step in the angilicisation (is that a word?) of the Scotland team!
He has a Scottish grandparent and therefore he has Scottish blood in him which is good enough for me. |
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deepdarkblue
First Team Player
United Kingdom
211 Posts |
Posted - 23 February 2012 : 08:51:24
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Olly is a proud morris dancer and would rather have his player play for them, after all, he is basically English. Whether he would get an England call up is debatable but he has a better chance of becoming an international regular for Scotland. The rules are being bent all the time in different sports and there are a number of 'foreigners' playing in different English international teams. While I personally think that grand parents is taking it to far, thats the way it is and we would be cutting our nose off to spite our face if we didn't take full advantage of the rules in place. We're no different, I'm pretty sure Nigel Quashie (for example) was born in Peckham. If Matt Phillips is happy to take a chance with his England 'career' good luck to the guy.
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darkbloo
Dundee Legend
United Kingdom
2569 Posts |
Posted - 23 February 2012 : 09:18:43
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| I agree actually that if that's what the rules state then if other countries use them we should too. Pity Levein can't pick some other players like Fletcher and McCormack though who are doing really well and seems odd they aren't in the squad. |
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islaydarkblue
Dundee Legend
United Kingdom
2528 Posts |
Posted - 23 February 2012 : 16:01:52
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| Fletcher said that he did not want to play against Northern Ireland in Febfruary 2011 and since then he has never been selected for the squad. |
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618 Posts |
Posted - 25 February 2012 : 21:50:59
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| fletcher was out of order, sending a text to inform your manger you didnt want to play is not the done thing, if as his previous manager was saying he does want to play for scotland he has to be man enough to pick up the phone and do the right thing otherwise no he never gets picked again , and he is an other one who is isnt Scottish , I thinks his mum is |
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James Christie
Internationalist
United Kingdom
480 Posts |
Posted - 25 February 2012 : 22:32:05
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Originally posted by dundeemanonislay
fletcher was out of order, sending a text to inform your manger you didnt want to play is not the done thing, if as his previous manager was saying he does want to play for scotland he has to be man enough to pick up the phone and do the right thing otherwise no he never gets picked again , and he is an other one who is isnt Scottish , I thinks his mum is
His mother's Scottish. He was born in England and lived where his soldier father was based till his father died when he was 10. From that point he lived in Scotland. If that's not enough to qualify for Scotland then it would be ridiculous. |
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darkbloo
Dundee Legend
United Kingdom
2569 Posts |
Posted - 26 February 2012 : 10:59:13
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| It's a bit pathetic when we don't have class players in the squad because of childish huffs. |
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islaydarkblue
Dundee Legend
United Kingdom
2528 Posts |
Posted - 26 February 2012 : 13:18:19
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| Throughout the years there have always been players who have fallen out with the Scotland Football manger at that time. |
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MikeStewart
Dundee Legend
Netherlands
1417 Posts |
Posted - 29 February 2012 : 11:31:43
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Originally posted by darkbloo
It's a bit pathetic when we don't have class players in the squad because of childish huffs.
He is well suited to the Wolves style of play.
Wouldn't say he was a class player, until I see him perform as a lone striker, holding the ball up. I get the feeling he's not too good at that, and (unfortunately) Scotland tend to use the solitary striker tactic, and Kenny Miller fills that role reasonably well.
However, it would be good to have Flethcer in the squad, to bring on when we need to go all for nothing and nick a goal. |
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Bob Laird
Dundee Legend
SCOTLAND
741 Posts |
Posted - 16 March 2012 : 14:11:41
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Originally posted by darkbloo
It's a bit pathetic when we don't have class players in the squad because of childish huffs.
If a player decides which games he wants to play in as an Internationalist, then I'm afraid I have to question their commitment to the National team and set-up.
My opinion for what it's worth, is I'd be bursting a gut to play for my Country at any level or sport as a matter of pride and honour.
Some players and not just Fletcher in the past have decided not to play for their Country. If that's their stance, then so be it, but I would never like them back, no matter how good they think they are.
If they disagree with a Managers decision and decide they won't play as long as that person's Manager, then I'd still not pick them when a new Manager was appointed, since they turned their back on their Country out of petulance. Their own personal feelings came before their Country, so what's to stop them doing something similar again, or disrupting those who have stuck by their Country?
I'll question a Manager for not picking a player, but not if that player has refused to play in the past. It's the same with the mystery injuries before friendlies, but disappear when their club need them.
Maybe I'm old fashioned but I still believe Country comes before Club. Even if it is to the detrement of our Club at the time. Unfortunately it doesn't affect us that often due to our current state in the Scottish game, but I'd look upon our club as being honoured if one of our players was capped at any level.
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deepdarkblue
First Team Player
United Kingdom
211 Posts |
Posted - 16 March 2012 : 16:02:18
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| For me Levein lost a lot of respect when he said he offered Ferguson andMcGregor back in to the fold because it didn't happen on his watch and he wanted the best Scottish players in the squad. Then to make it personal with Fletcher. As the older more mature man in the authority position I would have expected him to hold out the olive branch. If Fletcher then tells him to poke it then fair do's. I'm also a bit hacked off with the guy for advocating a smaller SPL for more attacking football while now being best known for a 4-6-0 (not normally the best attacking formation) |
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deecozimeblue
Dundee Legend
France
620 Posts |
Posted - 17 March 2012 : 10:20:03
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Originally posted by deepdarkblue
For me Levein lost a lot of respect when he said he offered Ferguson andMcGregor back in to the fold because it didn't happen on his watch and he wanted the best Scottish players in the squad. Then to make it personal with Fletcher. As the older more mature man in the authority position I would have expected him to hold out the olive branch. If Fletcher then tells him to poke it then fair do's. I'm also a bit hacked off with the guy for advocating a smaller SPL for more attacking football while now being best known for a 4-6-0 (not normally the best attacking formation)
Yey, verily yey!
Much as I would like to put all my support behind every Scotland manager and much as I agree with not pandering to the whims of prima donna football "stars", I can't help but feel that Craig Levein tends to think too much of Craig Levein and lacks the emotional objectivity necessary to deal with these situations.
Even after all this time, it's hard to erase the image of the post match interview following the Norway mistake when, rather than engage with the question that was on every suffering Scotland supporter's lips regarding the validity of his ultra negative formation, CL fell just short of offering the interviewer out.
However, it's the next campaign that counts as they say and whichever way you look at it he's really got his work cut out with the WC quallies.
If he gets us through that minefield he will have proved himself fit to lead.
(And just how should a smaller SPL promote more attacking football with the nearer proximity of the relegation place and financial oblivion sure to produce a more conservative outlook?!)
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gerrydee
Dundee Legend
United Kingdom
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Posted - 18 March 2012 : 19:13:21
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I, too, question the committment of someone who decides who he will play for. If it were his club manager and he said he would not play then he would be fined and possibly moved out as soon as possible.
To do as Fletcher did, makes me think he feels he is better than others in the squad, and therefore lacks respect for his team mates.
Anyone who chooses who he will play for, and when, should not be called upon again, regardless of a change in manager, no matter how good he is.
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islaydarkblue
Dundee Legend
United Kingdom
2528 Posts |
Posted - 18 March 2012 : 20:05:23
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| Unfortunately Scotland cannot afford not pick a player regardless of a change in manager. We do not have enough strengh in depth to adopt this policy |
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Bob Laird
Dundee Legend
SCOTLAND
741 Posts |
Posted - 18 March 2012 : 23:17:42
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Originally posted by islaydarkblue
Unfortunately Scotland cannot afford not pick a player regardless of a change in manager. We do not have enough strengh in depth to adopt this policy
So we allow the Country to be dictated to by premadonnas?
As long as players are allowed to do what they feel, then there will never be mutual respect or the passion which made Scotland teams of old feared.
I feel it's a slight on the players who are willing to turn up to say they should be overlooked for those who want to pick and choose their games.
Give me 11 players willing to die for the jersey before a so called class player. A player who turns down his Country has no Class no matter how big their EGO. |
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islaydarkblue
Dundee Legend
United Kingdom
2528 Posts |
Posted - 19 March 2012 : 14:52:35
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There have always been premadonnas in Scottish football. Players fall out with the current manager, then a new manager is appointed and everything is OK.
There is a Falkirk player, Jack Compton currently on loan at St Johnstone who fell out with Steven Pressley the Falkirk manager. Prior to going on loan to St Johnstone he was on loan at Bradford City in Division 2 of the Football League.
These things happen. When I was employed by the Bank of Scotland I had good bosses and bad bosses. I even had one who was known by all the staff throughout Tayside and Fife as "the ***** from hell"!! |
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tayportdee
Dundee Legend
United Kingdom
801 Posts |
Posted - 19 March 2012 : 18:23:23
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What's Holloway's Problem
