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clanger
Fringe Player
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 Posted - 22 October 2010 : 15:28:14
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looks like youth coaches sacked.
I always though that the youth development was supposed to be self founded incase something like this happened?
and what about the money that the SFA gives them?
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APM
Fringe Player
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Posted - 22 October 2010 : 21:53:27
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It is the administrators responsibility to carry out the process in full or words to that affect...surely its not beyond someone from the hierarchy at Dens to at least get in touch with the people they are letting go to thank them for their service! Instead they washed their hands of it entirely to the point where letters making youth coaches redundant went out by mistake - you couldnt make this up! How are parents of youth players going to trust the club when this type of nonsense is going on. Dundee obviously dont care about their youth coaches as is evidenced by the way they have treated them. I was one of them and am gutted at how we all have been treated-basically with contempt.
My other question is - if you are seriously planning on keeping the youth programme running and its so important to yourselves then why sack the Head of Youth! and then cause absolute chaos by then sacking most of the youth coaches.
I know the latter was supposed to have been a mistake but why did the administrator sack them in the first place....surely a winding up was on the cards to save money and then there appears to have been a panicked u turn...is this because they (not the administrators) believed that whatever they saved by getting rid of John Holt and by then halving the youth coaching staff and then halving the wages of the remaining coaching staff this would make the running of the youths viable...all this means is they will fail the YI audit...maybe the youths playing in a lower league,with a less coach to player ratio, poss cut in the amount of nights training, equipment and facilities also makes it affordable to the club but is it really fair on the boys...they would prob be better winding it up and staring again once they have had time to save the club and then come up with a proper long term plan for the youths...rather than keeping a hold of them for keeping a hold of thems sake! how is the youth development ? |
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APM
Fringe Player
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Posted - 22 October 2010 : 22:36:05
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Further to my post...
A number of inaccuracies re the youth situation??
Head of youth sacked - fact
No balls/equipment since start of season - fact
No explanations for coaches/parents/players re canc training - fact
No explanation as to why club not John Holt cancelled recent home fixture - fact
Youth players not informed of canc training/games and turned up - fact
Youth coaches not informed about cut in wages until pay day - fact
Youth coaches left high and dry to appease parents due to clubs lack of communication only then to be sacked by post or phone call without warning via administrator - fact
No meeting this season of youth coaches prior to the sackings - fact
No personal contact from club throughout only information coming out of club is via website - fact..
coaches made redundant by mistake - fact
how can you expect fans to put money into the club when things up to the present day are STILL being so badly mishandled. As for your statement Mr Maclean save your sympathy for the parents and the young boys who the club have let down :(
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Dark Blue Dreamchaser
Dundee Legend
United Kingdom
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Posted - 23 October 2010 : 09:41:00
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| Leaving for the 280 mile trip to Dens shortly; I have a garage full of balls and other equipment; if a Junior club catering for 6 to 17 year olds can run things smoothly with no external budget - why cant a so called pro club - what an utter disgrace! |
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Miss Dee
Under 18's Squad Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 23 October 2010 : 10:54:40
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Just a quick note.
The Administrators are responsible for all decisions made on behalf of the Club
We were totally unaware these letters had been sent out until we got a call from the coaches. We immediately tried to minimise further problems.
There is a meeting organised with the SFA on Tusday to see the way forward.
Until then we are not in a position to say which coaches are to be kept or released.
The games are going ahead this weekend as planned.(u19s)
Most of the coaches have been spoken to by myself or the remaining full time coaches.
Youth Development is very important, however the administrators goal is to get a team on the pitch to fulfill the SFL fixtures in order we try to keep the Club alive.
Laura Hayes - Club Secretary |
Edited by - Miss Dee on 27 October 2010 21:18:40 |
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EHMADEE
Fringe Player
United Kingdom
50 Posts |
Posted - 23 October 2010 : 12:25:11
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Originally posted by Miss Dee
Just a quick note.
The Administrators are responsible for all decisions made on behalf of the Club
We were totally unaware these letters had been sent out until we got a call from the coaches. We immediately tried to minimise further problems.
There is a meeting organised with the SFA on Tusday to see the way forward.
Until then we are not in a position to say which coaches are to be kept or released.
The games are going ahead this weekend as planned.
Most of the coaches have been spoken to by myself or the remaining full time coaches.
Youth Development is very important, however the administrators goal is to get a team on the pitch to fulfill the SFL fixtures in order we try to keep the Club alive.
Laura Hayes - Club Secretary
Laura, as you stated youth development is very important, and with the monies recieved from SFA and the fundraising and sponsorship monies allocated to the Youth Development, why is it even necessary to contemplate hitting the youths
Clanger has asked where the monies from SFA has went.
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APM
Fringe Player
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Posted - 23 October 2010 : 19:37:56
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FACT- The games are not going ahead this week end as planned as Dundee youths have a free week on the fixture calendar and this has been on the fixture list since the start of the season!
Even if the youths had a scheduled fixture how could the games go ahead this week as all the coaches were released by the administrator and you have just told us the CLUB have said they wont be telling who is getting kept on until Tuesday??
Do any of the youth's parents know whats going on as the EX-coaches certainly don't!
For the record, myself and the other u12 coach received our redundancy papers via the post this morning..(therefore no way the u12 game would be going ahead as planned lol) ..dated the 15th october! - maybe my posts alerted somebody to the fact I'd dodged a bullet :)
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paulcarm
Dundee Legend
United Kingdom
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Posted - 23 October 2010 : 20:29:00
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| When we come out of administration one of our primary aims should be to put things right in this critical area. We must learn from these terrible mistakes. We should be aiming to get youth development back to former glories, we should bring back the people mistreated, we have to rebuild our reputation in the community. |
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punchy8361
Fringe Player
United Kingdom
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Posted - 23 October 2010 : 22:32:32
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| What an absolutely shocking state of affairs. The youth setup may be our only way out of this. It seems Mr Jackson, has come along and put his pen into gear without engaging the brain, for which he is no doubt being handsomely paid.....BY US!!!! If you were one of our many talented youngsters, would you sign on Dotted Line for a new Dundee after this treatment????? I know I would not!!! |
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EHMADEE
Fringe Player
United Kingdom
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Posted - 24 October 2010 : 22:32:22
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Miss Dee
Is there anyone at the club willing to come forward and answer the questions being asked regarding the monies received from the SFA for youth development, and other fundraisers that fans have contributed to believing that this was going to youth development.
Surely this money is enough to keep the youths going without the need to sack any coaches, thus keeping the criteria for all youth teams remaining in the Pro youth league.
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Miss Dee
Under 18's Squad Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 27 October 2010 : 15:41:22
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As you can see from the front of the website, we have organised a meeting for all parents/carers of the youth players on Friday. This will give the parents/guardians a chance to get answers to all questions. An SFA Representative will be in attendance.
Laura |
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Miss Dee
Under 18's Squad Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 27 October 2010 : 21:16:36
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would like to apologise for the time it took to organise this meeting but in our defence we couldnt do anything until the meeting on Tuesday with the SFA which was originally the Audit. The SFA still wanted to meet with us and it was only after that we could organise to speak to everyone.
The past two weeks have been a nightmare at the Club, small staff, working in very difficult circumstances, |
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bobby the blues
Under 18's Squad Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 27 October 2010 : 23:40:39
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| This meeting may be too late for one of the younger age groups (which I understand is a very good group this year)as many of them are not signed due to the SFA requirement to meet a minimum age. I was advised today by a relative of one of those boys that although the parents would likely have been prepared to finance their boys to a greater extent, the fact that the coach was sacked effectively left them with nowhere to go. Its my understanding an offer has already been made by a rival 1st Division club (in Fife)to take almost the entire group from the Dundee area on board. I strongly believe that full time players should by contract have a duty allocated which aligns each of them with assisting the youth coach for an age group as required. That may have mimimised what appears to have been a vacuum in communications to each and every age group team. |
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SensibleSoccer
Dundee Legend
Singapore
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Posted - 28 October 2010 : 04:13:37
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Originally posted by bobby the blues
...an offer has already been made by a rival 1st Division club (in Fife)to take almost the entire group from the Dundee area on board. ...
Well done to them, taking advantage of an opportunity - behaviour that DFC can rarely (never?) be accused of. |
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deeboy64
Fringe Player
United Kingdom
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Posted - 28 October 2010 : 16:28:10
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| under 11's and 12's playing no matches.cant see many staying.raith jumping right in.if all other age groups are playing why not keep younger ones? |
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Dundee fc youth academy
