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| exile |
Posted - 14 July 2012 : 09:10:06
How we voted and why? Surely, that's the very least the board can do? |
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| Zico McGeachie |
Posted - 19 July 2012 : 13:41:50
I agree the board has played a blinder during the club 12 saga. I'm also delighted and relieved we voted in the appropriate manner last Friday. This was a big issue for me and many other fans, so its great we can finally now focus on the football matters. However the board do need to communicate faster and sharper with the fans. The season ticket debacle and the SFL vote has created much debate on this and other forums. Social media drives a need for immediate answers and unfortunately due to our recent past, some of us Dees get nervous if we hear nothing from the BOD |
| pgordon |
Posted - 19 July 2012 : 12:55:22
I agree that the board and CEO acted with integrity through the whole process. If they had voiced opinions we may not be in the SPL. It is now about getting behind the team to make sure we finish as high up as possible. It does not matter how we got there but how we seize the opportunity given to us.
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| imadee |
Posted - 19 July 2012 : 09:06:08
Throughout the process I think Dundee management kept a huge degree of integrity which can't be said for someother clubs in Scotland. Like ritchie I have no smypathy for Dunfermline for teh way they went running to the media and at every opportunity speaking about why Dundee FC shouldnt have entry to SPL. |
| exile |
Posted - 19 July 2012 : 07:48:39
Thanks for that and, as others have said, I am now generally satisfied with what we've done.
As to DAFC, I have some sympathy for them, after all if we don't know what it feels like to have your SPL place taken away unfairly who does? But, as they say, we are where we are and we now need to focus on the season ahead. See you @ Killie :) |
| STUART RITCHIE |
Posted - 19 July 2012 : 07:19:47
Dundee kept the lid on it and quite rightly so, any glitch in the weeks running up to the various descisions,or misleading information would have presented the media with something to feed on, for example the daily ranger ran many different scenarios, but dens in the true vernacular we kept our "Pusses Shut"
The way we handled the complete situation was superb, I feel no sympathy for Dunfermline, as they tried to stick the knife in in many media interviews, weeks before hoping to obtain some answers, or some retort from Dens , it never came and they were made to look foolish,
On Stv news the final fall from grace, as Yorky confirmed that he would still be taking up the moan with the SPl,but would not stand in the way of the new season progressing, Yyyyyyya beauty,, ! Respect not for them for The dee,
And further more if the dee fans cannot see the complete change of tact in the way we handle things from the top as against the previous scenarios foisted on us,from the top down, there are new blue specs in the supporters shops,!
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| Bob Laird |
Posted - 19 July 2012 : 00:24:17
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Originally posted by highway_star
voted to Div 3.
Totally agree with the boards vote (obviously!) on a huge issue and have to say its a very well laid out statement.
Very good statement, very enlightening on what had happened behind the scenes.
I have no problem of the boards rational of not disclosing what was actually going on behind the scenes at the time, I just wished the Board had given even a one line response to enquiries, that they were going to release a definative statement in due course, that would I'm sure have allieviated most fans frustrations of not knowing what was going on, or if they were ever going to know what Dundee's position was during the whole sordid affair.
Especially since they hadn't approached the fan base in the first place regarding the situation to gauge fans opinion.
I'm happy with the outcome, but feel Dundee still have to improve their PR communications towards the fans, but if that's my only complaint then we are certainly moving forward as a Club.
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| deedee |
Posted - 18 July 2012 : 22:42:58
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Originally posted by highway_star
dmbuild66 - we got a measured statement (and a good one!), yes but before then silence, which was met on this thread with people saying 'who cares', 'boring', 'so what' etc. - not 'many fans' as you say but enough on here to warrant a reply in my book! I think jacobite1 would agree.
As to Hutton I have no problem with his point on us not going up. I am still not that comfortable with how this all panned out. I actually think Dunfermline were stitched up with the claim, prior to the decision, that it really was between us and them (it wasnt, it was us and plenty of evidence in the lead up that it was!) but we are where we are now.
My biggest concern now is the squad!
dunfermline arent daft. ross county replaced them in may, we are replacing rangers. they knew this.
why big concerns? barry is going to pull a team together. lets not be worried, we can do just as well as the likes of county, ICT, killie etc
well done the B O D
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| wirraldee |
Posted - 18 July 2012 : 22:29:05
I'm delighted that we can draw a line under the question of how we voted last week. I'm equally delighted that we voted to admit Newco Rangers to Div 3 and we have that on record now.
I'm very impressed with our CEO and Board and I think we are in a good position for the future, especially when many middling SPL clubs face a difficult year or two. |
| dmbuild66 |
Posted - 18 July 2012 : 22:20:35
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Originally posted by highway_star
dmbuild66 - we got a measured statement (and a good one!), yes but before then silence, which was met on this thread with people saying 'who cares', 'boring', 'so what' etc. - not 'many fans' as you say but enough on here to warrant a reply in my book! I think jacobite1 would agree.
As to Hutton I have no problem with his point on us not going up. I am still not that comfortable with how this all panned out. I actually think Dunfermline were stitched up with the claim, prior to the decision, that it really was between us and them (it wasnt, it was us and plenty of evidence in the lead up that it was!) but we are where we are now.
My biggest concern now is the squad!
DAFC I think were ruled out due to the rules stating 'once relegated you stay relegated' but in a way I feel for them, as I would be annoyed had we been relegated and then passed over for the return. I feel like you - they never stood a chance. Probably the one and only rule the SPL didn't change or make up as they went along.
I'm not too concerned about the squad as we've got some good players in there already and more hopefully to come. Sure there will be ups and downs, shocks and elation, but is that not what supporting the Dee is all about, we've had it all over the years. (o:
Patience my man, patience! |
| highway_star |
Posted - 18 July 2012 : 20:50:16
dmbuild66 - we got a measured statement (and a good one!), yes but before then silence, which was met on this thread with people saying 'who cares', 'boring', 'so what' etc. - not 'many fans' as you say but enough on here to warrant a reply in my book! I think jacobite1 would agree.
As to Hutton I have no problem with his point on us not going up. I am still not that comfortable with how this all panned out. I actually think Dunfermline were stitched up with the claim, prior to the decision, that it really was between us and them (it wasnt, it was us and plenty of evidence in the lead up that it was!) but we are where we are now.
My biggest concern now is the squad!
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| Dubious Dave |
Posted - 18 July 2012 : 20:31:26
So relieved and absolutely delighted to hear that. Well done Scot and thanks David.
It was a big big point for me and a few others it seems.
If it wasn't for fan power there probably wouldn't have been a space for us in the SPL season. Thats part of why it mattered to me and why I hope we give a warm welcome to all supporters this season; prior to their teams getting rolled over of course.
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| dmbuild66 |
Posted - 18 July 2012 : 20:04:29
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Originally posted by highway_star
Its astonishing that some are so ready to say who cares.
Given the choice of silence or a Turnbull Hutton, on this matter I prefer a Turnbull Hutton.
I don't think many supporters said "who cares" I think they were saying lets trust the board to make the right decision. It now turns out that they did indeed make those decisions having carefully absorbed the facts, and having taken their time to release a statement letting us all know how and why they voted as they did, I thinks shows professionalism!
We didn't get silence, we got a unhurried measured statement not some badly thought out guff. I quite liked Turnbull Hutton's statement and his honesty contained within but I'm pretty sure if it had been his club in with a chance of going up he might have moderated the same statement or kept quiet. Did you read the bit he wrote about Dundee FC and how we should not have a chance of going up to the SPL with our administration record? or did you 'prefer' that bit as well?. All is not correct within his statement but he did have some good points!
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| jacobite1 |
Posted - 18 July 2012 : 19:46:22
That's fantastic, Admin. At last, some clarity, and (mostly) a clear conscience. I have a few issues with what's gone on (as a lawyer, I'm not exactly in agreement with what a 'conflict of interest' is), but happy enough now to put this aside.
A big, big thanks to David Young, and Scot for doing the right thing (in the end).
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| highway_star |
Posted - 18 July 2012 : 19:29:41
voted to Div 3.
Totally agree with the boards vote (obviously!) on a huge issue and have to say its a very well laid out statement.
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| Admin |
Posted - 18 July 2012 : 19:13:00
Our David Young spent an hour and half with Scot Gardiner at Dens yesterday and spoke to him today - around 25 minutes of which was on tape or added to by text/email today - full interview now online - read it all please
http://www.dundeefc.co.uk/home/news_detail.asp?newsid=2410
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| highway_star |
Posted - 18 July 2012 : 19:10:39
This wasnt some minor technical vote, as if we were deciding on having goal line technology. Its astonishing that some are so ready to say who cares.
The events in the last few months will have ramifications for Scottish football for years to come. One of the biggest powers in Scottish football is liquidated and its 'son of' barely alive. The pressure and threats brought upon teams across the SPL and SFL was astonishing and at times had the distinct smell of manipulation and corruption. The fall out in terms of league structure, TV contracts, funding etc is still to be felt.
It is not nonsense and boring to demand how the club voted on such a huge issue. It is nonsense to say that people with a £1 vote should stop too. Perhaps we should leave it to the big shareholders and the wee man says nothing? Just accept everything? It sounds perilously close to the attitude of gers fans who questioned nothing.
The SPL vote listed quite clearly how the votes were cast, for and against. Many SFL clubs made it quite clear well before the vote even took place how they would vote and hell mend what Rangers or anyone else thought.
Given the choice of silence or a Turnbull Hutton, on this matter I prefer a Turnbull Hutton.
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| MikeStewart |
Posted - 18 July 2012 : 19:05:55
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Originally posted by jacobite1
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Originally posted by dmbuild66
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Originally posted by jacobite1
They cannot say as it was a secret ballot. Only our Board can tell us.
Those not interested in governance, try another thread somewhere else, and leave those interested to it. If you don't understand why it's important, you're either too young to remember two administrations and the near eradication of our club, have the memory of a goldfish, or your head buried in the sand.
After this statement I think like Cardiffblue this thread should be killed and locked off. There will be hardly any fans too young to remember the 'Admins'. Even the 'goldfish' you were talking about could work out how we voted from the info on the internet, why can't you?
Governance should be left to the board, that's what they were appointed for.
Is that what you said before we went into administration last time? Trust the Board everything will be fine?
How we voted matters to me. If we were willing to ditch the rules in order to parachute 'Rangers' into SFL1, that's an unacceptable sell-out to me. The vote also matters to at least some other Dundee fans.
I actually believe the SFL1 option was the most realistic and best option on the table for Scottish Football. It might even have been grudgingly accepted by the majority if it hadn't been presented together with that nonsense document full of veiled threats and doomsday scenarios.
Integrity is all good and well, but if a barrowload of clubs do go bust as is being forecast, then maybe common logic, political u-turns and financial securities should have overruled the heart.
By the way, I detest Rangers Football Club and have no sympathy for them in any shape or form. They were looking at ways to leave Scotland for years..and now they have been bleating and whining as if they were hard done by. Just sayin'...
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| Dalkeith Dee Jr. |
Posted - 18 July 2012 : 18:55:18
According to the updated statement on the home page from Scott Gardiner it seems as though we voted to put Rangers in Division 3. |
| jacobite1 |
Posted - 18 July 2012 : 18:14:20
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Originally posted by tomdee
[quote]Originally posted by jacobite1
Totally agree with Islaydarkblue. This nonsense about which way we voted has to stop. It's boring lets look to the future not the past. Quite what this vote has to do with Dundee being in Administration twice (and i'm not too young to recall them and my memory is perfectly OK) is beyond me please enlighten me.
PS I'm not in the habit of burying my head in the sand either.
Okay, I'll spell it out. I want to trust the Board, but that requires transparency. Transparency means being open and communicating with those for whom the club is run (that's the fans). You'll notice nearly all clubs in the SFL have kept their fans informed about this important vote.
As to the link with administration, you might recall the last time we gave our unquestioning support behind the Board. We almost lost the club. The Board themselves have said that'll never happen, and have, on the whole been pretty good. You may not be interested in the KPIs. I am. You may not be interested in our negotiations with the footballing authorities and the set-up of Scottish football, but I am (and others are too).
There's a reason that fans are trust members. You might think we should close down the supporters' trust, give all the shares to the board, and cross our fingers. I'm not willing to do that, and I don't think the present Board would want it either. But you can't say you want fans involved in the running of the club, and then exclude them. |
| jacobite1 |
Posted - 18 July 2012 : 18:06:32
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Originally posted by dmbuild66
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Originally posted by jacobite1
They cannot say as it was a secret ballot. Only our Board can tell us.
Those not interested in governance, try another thread somewhere else, and leave those interested to it. If you don't understand why it's important, you're either too young to remember two administrations and the near eradication of our club, have the memory of a goldfish, or your head buried in the sand.
After this statement I think like Cardiffblue this thread should be killed and locked off. There will be hardly any fans too young to remember the 'Admins'. Even the 'goldfish' you were talking about could work out how we voted from the info on the internet, why can't you?
Governance should be left to the board, that's what they were appointed for.
Is that what you said before we went into administration last time? Trust the Board everything will be fine?
How we voted matters to me. If we were willing to ditch the rules in order to parachute 'Rangers' into SFL1, that's an unacceptable sell-out to me. The vote also matters to at least some other Dundee fans. |
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