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| Super Tommy |
Posted - 21 April 2012 : 13:08:28
Dundee take on Partick today.
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| Bill Cairns |
Posted - 04 May 2012 : 11:29:17
Eh ! not sure what that statement means, however thread was started by Super Tommy !
Retiree....... |
| dmbuild66 |
Posted - 04 May 2012 : 00:40:02
quote:
Originally posted by exile
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Originally posted by islaydarkblue
No wonder the UK is in a recession.
There seems to be a lot people putting comments on the Forum during their working day.
I am retired and have all day to post my comments.
Even in this day and age I still get a lunch break (of sorts!)
I have no idea why this thread was even started by islaydarkblue - if he has all day to post as he is retired so does everyone else thats retired. Absolutely pointless as usual!! Get a life! |
| exile |
Posted - 03 May 2012 : 17:19:38
quote:
Originally posted by islaydarkblue
No wonder the UK is in a recession.
There seems to be a lot people putting comments on the Forum during their working day.
I am retired and have all day to post my comments.
Even in this day and age I still get a lunch break (of sorts!) |
| darkbloo |
Posted - 03 May 2012 : 13:37:05
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Originally posted by David Brodie
Fao Darkbloo
As asked for you've no solutions but then again neither have I. So a score draw there!
However you do downplay the lack of on and off the field harmony/stability at Dens Park, which is improving season by season. Compared to that enjoyed this season at Ross County.
If we can field a more competitive team, with more depth, then I do believe we have a better chance of promotion next season. If the football debt was paid in full before then and the same support came to the games, then I'd be even more confident!
I agree on a lot of that, we do have to keep the core decent players if we can for next season.
Solution wise we clearly need a stronger and more physical team on the park though, we're pushed around too easily. Have to be able to mix it as well as playing football. |
| David Brodie |
Posted - 03 May 2012 : 11:40:04
PS
Come and buy a new season ticket for 2012/13 but we are just aiming for mid-table mediocrity because of financial problems" isn't a good selling strategy.
Come and buy a new season ticket for 2012/13 and we're aiming to go one better than 2nd place" is surely a much better marketing strategy.
And you said I was being negative-Joshing!
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| David Brodie |
Posted - 03 May 2012 : 11:37:35
Fao Darkbloo
As asked for you've no solutions but then again neither have I. So a score draw there!
However you do downplay the lack of on and off the field harmony/stability at Dens Park, which is improving season by season. Compared to that enjoyed this season at Ross County.
If we can field a more competitive team, with more depth, then I do believe we have a better chance of promotion next season. If the football debt was paid in full before then and the same support came to the games, then I'd be even more confident! |
| islaydarkblue |
Posted - 02 May 2012 : 19:53:07
The manager is ideally looking for a team of youth blended with experience. The chance you take with older players is take they may spend more time on the treatment table than on the pitch.
Bob Shankly was very fortunate that he was able to choose the same team for most of the 1961-62 championship winning season and a total of only 15 players throughout the season.
If you look at "They Wore The Dark Blue" book you will see that in the 1960's hardly any Dundee players were sent off throughout each season whereas now it happens all the time.
I think that the introduction of red and yellow cards has encouraged referees to go "card happy" whereas in the 1960's they showed a bit more leeway and commonsence. |
| darkbloo |
Posted - 02 May 2012 : 14:23:34
Well as you are very well aware indeed David it is the manager's job to organise and pick the best team he can within his budget, and of course the players should be motivated, they and Barry are paid to do a job they aren't volunteers. Maybe you should ask Barry what his solution is. Football is now a game of short term contracts so manager's have to get in guys that will play for him and to motivate the players. You also have to move on the higher paid guys if they aren't achieving the levels needed, which in my opinion Barry is doing. Barry will not get 100% of his signings correct the same as any other manager and the majority of fans are clearly behind him.
Anyway, what has Ross County's squad got to do with Dundee FC dropping points to QOS/Ayr/Raith/Partick etc!
All I've been saying is when we play poorly it is perfectly reasonable to say so, as does the official match report and Barry himself. We are all quick enough to praise the good performances as we are so desperate to see good things on the park. There is no benefit in pretending we did play well when we didn't, or coming up with excuses about finances repeatedly that we all know about every single time we play below standard.
Playing against Ayr is about our 11 v their 11, the tactics, which players are more talented, and who plays best on the day. I'd say again if you cannot accept fans giving their honest opinion on a game where we played poorly and lost then why read them. Do you email Barry and the offical match reporter on their comments after the recent defeats to explain to them about our financial woes!
You're already excusing next season away when we don't yet know which teams will be in it, and have no idea what the squads of the 10 first division teams will be come August, and we haven't even put season tickets on sale. If that's not negative and defeatist I don't know what is. I'll go for quiet optimism that we can do well on the park next season.
"Come and buy a new season ticket for 2012/13 but we are just aiming for mid-table mediocrity because of financial problems" isn't a good selling strategy. |
| David Brodie |
Posted - 02 May 2012 : 11:45:07
I don't think any of your points about Ross County and 'justifiable realities' are relevant at all as to why we can't win these games.
Ok, can you outline how to solve this? And you're not allowed to cop out by saying
1, It's the manager's job
2, Players should be motivated 100% all the time! |
| islaydarkblue |
Posted - 02 May 2012 : 09:50:54
Sorry.
Do not have a smart phone. |
| darkbloo |
Posted - 02 May 2012 : 08:09:50
quote:
Originally posted by dmbuild66
quote:
Originally posted by islaydarkblue
No wonder the UK is in a recession.
There seems to be a lot people putting comments on the Forum during their working day.
I am retired and have all day to post my comments.
Aye - recession right enough, but there is also a lot of unemployed, self-employed, other retired people and shift workers who can also post during the day, nowt to do with the reccession? Bit cheeky! (o:
And smart phones..... |
| islaydarkblue |
Posted - 02 May 2012 : 00:02:54
Fair Point.
However I will stick to my theory. |
| dmbuild66 |
Posted - 01 May 2012 : 21:40:58
quote:
Originally posted by islaydarkblue
No wonder the UK is in a recession.
There seems to be a lot people putting comments on the Forum during their working day.
I am retired and have all day to post my comments.
Aye - recession right enough, but there is also a lot of unemployed, self-employed, other retired people and shift workers who can also post during the day, nowt to do with the reccession? Bit cheeky! (o: |
| islaydarkblue |
Posted - 01 May 2012 : 16:29:49
No wonder the UK is in a recession.
There seems to be a lot people putting comments on the Forum during their working day.
I am retired and have all day to post my comments. |
| darkbloo |
Posted - 01 May 2012 : 16:25:50
Have to agree to disagree David. A game of football is 11 v 11 so when we play Ayr or QOS (the bottom two clubs and I would bet our squad is costing a lot more than theirs) I don't think any of your points about Ross County and 'justifiable realities' are relevant at all as to why we can't win these games. |
| David Brodie |
Posted - 01 May 2012 : 11:51:27
Completely agree, far too many with a defeatist attitude and content with sub par performances on the park with endless excuses
1, For defeatist read "pragamtic"
2, For endless excuses read "justifiable realities"
Ross County viewed this season as THEIR opportunity to speculate due to the palpable weaknesses of the main competition compared to their financial strengths, their on and off the field cohesion and boy have they accumulated!
DFC had none of that and if that's still perceived to be an EXCUSE? Methinks you're reading an inaccurate dictionary!? |
| darkbloo |
Posted - 30 April 2012 : 16:50:31
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Originally posted by islaydarkblue
In my opinion every team in league starts out with the belief that they will win the league. Last season Ross County just avoided ending up in the play-off relegation sopt and this season they win the league by a country mile. Anything is possible.
Fans would not bother buying season tickets if they thought that their team had no chance of winning promotion.
Completely agree, far too many with a defeatist attitude and content with sub par performances on the park with endless excuses. We need to improve to progress not pat ourselves on the back and kid ourselves on. What matters is whether the 11 players on the park are better than the 11 the opposition put out, and they should have been against Ayr on Saturday and against Partick last week.
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| islaydarkblue |
Posted - 30 April 2012 : 11:08:32
In my opinion every team in league starts out with the belief that they will win the league. Last season Ross County just avoided ending up in the play-off relegation sopt and this season they win the league by a country mile. Anything is possible.
Fans would not bother buying season tickets if they thought that their team had no chance of winning promotion.
At the beginning of the 1961-62 season few Dundee fans thought that their team would win the Scottish First Division Championship that season and look what happened.
We must have faith in Barry Smith and hope that he can manage to put a team on the park that can gain promotion next season. |
| darkbloo |
Posted - 30 April 2012 : 10:22:12
I do look at the whole season and point-wise we are closer to the bottom of the league than we are to the top and a country mile from challenging for 1st place.
If you are happy with things on the park then good luck to you, I just hope we avoid 4 defeats in a row this upcoming Saturday to finish off the season.
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| David Brodie |
Posted - 30 April 2012 : 09:34:54
[i]It's you that's confusing negativity David[i]
I beg to differ
1, I judge the team over the season, not in segments.
2, I've no idea what you expected this season?
3, However nobody seriously believed DFC would win promotion?
4, Nobody honestly believed DFC would even compete strongly for the title. However for a series of games Barry and his players did raise that hope, which was dashed due to injury to Riley and Rae moving onto Aberdeen plus some injuries and suspensions. And this is now being perceived as a weakness when in my opinion it was hugely impressive!
If you or any other poster disagree with this then that's your prerogative. However it's mine to state my thoughts and they'll not be swayed! |
